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re: What to really take away from the Sugar Bowl

Posted on 1/3/14 at 2:27 am to
Posted by oR33Do
Tuscaloosa
Member since Oct 2012
13561 posts
Posted on 1/3/14 at 2:27 am to
Well 335 base is built for hunh and the spread.

Base cover one is 3 DLs who rush every play 3 LBs who play a mix of rush/man on outside middle guy plays qb spy/zone then 4 CBs for man/zone and a long ball zone safety.

When it works right against pass heavy hunh it can churn some ints from watching it at the local hs programs.

It honestly looks like the replacement for 46Bear to me.
Posted by Libertyabides71
Fyffe Alabama (Yeah the UFO place)
Member since Jul 2013
5082 posts
Posted on 1/3/14 at 2:29 am to
The offense is fine. We had problems this year because we didn't have a power back and we had a rebuilt OL that actually outperformed expectations.

We've had three losses under Nuss all three were to Top 10 (well 11) opponents. In all three games we averaged 480 yards per game. We also outgained each opponent in total yardage. In these losses. This despite not being a spread offense but a pro style offense.

The reasons we lost all three games were not the play calls, after all the same guy calling the same plays that we executed in the 24 wins.

The reason for all three losses were turnovers. The Texas A/M game the key turnover involved Kenny Bell running the wrong route allowing the man that was supposed to follow him to be the pass's flight path.

Under Nussmeier, we turned the ball over ball over on average of less than 1 every other game in our 24 wins. But we had 9 turnovers in the 3 losses for an average of three a game. We even had 5 turnovers today.

Turnovers come down to execution. Nussmeier can only call the plays. Execution comes down to the players. AJ doesn't make mistakes except when he does. And when he and the offense made mistakes against good teams in Auburn, ATM, and Oklahoma we lost. It is a simple fact of life. You turn the ball over against good teams you tend to lose.

Also in all three losses under Nuss we got into a "track meet" with a Spread offense. Two of those offenses were basically Big 12 offenses in ATM and Oklahoma.

These track meets didn't give our D's a chance to rest. And the playcalling in each of these games was fairly aggressive. We actually have a better track record against Spread offenses by going slower and making them play at our tempo.

So your premise isn't making any sense. If Nussmeier was a bad offensive coordinator we would be losing games because of the plays we called. We haven't. You forget what a bad offensive coordinator looks like. To remind you go watch even a WIN where Mike Shula, Dave Rader, or Major Applewhite are calling the plays. Its atrocious.

Doug Nussmeier is a damn fine offensive coordinator and QB coach. I get being upset over a loss but make your arguments make some sense.

Under Nuss we have played two seasons where in one he was calling plays for a team that had a green mostly rebuilt defense for his counterpart.

The 2nd team he called plays for had D that was far from shutdown (and still had a green secondary). And he had to cope with losing 3 great talents on the OL.

Nussmeier has called some truly brilliant games. 2013 ATM, 2012/2013 Notre Dame, 2012/2013 LSU (both games).

This post was edited on 1/3/14 at 2:36 am
Posted by harmonics
Mars Hotel
Member since Jan 2010
18617 posts
Posted on 1/3/14 at 2:40 am to
The fact that Derrick Henry has been riding the pine all year after seeing what he did tonight pisses me straight the frick off. He did the same thing against Arkie early in the year. Did it not click with this staff, "Maybe this kid should be playing more". Nah, we'd rather give Drake and Yeldon opportunities to fumble the shite out of the ball.
Posted by chattabama
12essee
Member since Jun 2012
19315 posts
Posted on 1/3/14 at 2:43 am to
So you are a Nuss apologist. Did Nuss not see our qb was getting killed out there? Could he not have put an extra back or tight end to pick up the pass rusher? They were blitzing the shite out of us. Why didn't we continue to call screen passes to keep them honest? Why did we go to three passes after Henry was gashing the defense?

I could give a shite about all the yards that he has helped us gain. When it comes down to it, he sucked. With the ATM game this year, he didn't have to account for a defense. It was nonexistent. With ND, we out talented them by a wide margin.
Posted by Libertyabides71
Fyffe Alabama (Yeah the UFO place)
Member since Jul 2013
5082 posts
Posted on 1/3/14 at 2:55 am to
Our QB was getting killed because he was holding on the ball too long. AJ normally kills the blitz, I don't know what he was doing at all tonight. For some reason we weren't throwing out of our heavy sets. But as far as our backs/TE's none of our TE's are great blockers at all. I thought we had established that already this season? And Drake/Yeldon are better receivers than they are blockers as well. We were running a lot of 4 man route combos and we were keeping the TE in a lot. It seems we were keeping the TE on the line with Shep after his injury. Maybe we thought Cyrus the guy who everyone assumes is going to be leaving early could handle Striker?

I don't know what AJ was smoking in the 2nd half but he hasn't looked that tentative since we inserted him in the 2010 iron bowl. And in the first half both of those Interceptions were completely on him. Its like AJ forgot how to be a game manager.

I am no Nuss "apologist" but you guys sound like Sidewalks. There is a reason Nuss was getting mentioned for head coaching gigs. The guy is a damn good offensive coordinator and QB coach. If you guys don't know enough about our offense to know basic stuff like the fact we always call two plays from the coordinator. A base play and a kill play, its up to AJ (or whoever the QB is) to determine which play we run. We do that every snap.
Posted by chattabama
12essee
Member since Jun 2012
19315 posts
Posted on 1/3/14 at 2:59 am to
AJ was holding on to the ball too long admittedly. Why didn't we put Yeldon and Henry both in to pick up the blitz/set up the screen? And why didn't we have any designed pass plays to Howard. He is a mismatch nightmare, but we only attempted one pass to him. That is on Nuss.
Posted by Libertyabides71
Fyffe Alabama (Yeah the UFO place)
Member since Jul 2013
5082 posts
Posted on 1/3/14 at 3:04 am to
quote:

The fact that Derrick Henry has been riding the pine all year after seeing what he did tonight pisses me straight the frick off. He did the same thing against Arkie early in the year. Did it not click with this staff, "Maybe this kid should be playing more". Nah, we'd rather give Drake and Yeldon opportunities to fumble the shite out of the ball.



The only thing I can think of with Henry is that he missed extensive time during the offseason/skelly work because of recovery from his injury. Even though he enrolled early, that skelly work is where the young guys really learn the terminology and pass pro down to the subtleties. Saban said something earlier during the season about not playing a RB unless they could do it all. IE he didn't want to insert a freshman unless that freshman could do all the stuff not just run the ball (like say Tommy Bowden was bad about). At that time (it was pre Arkansas) we all thought he was referring to Tenpenny because Henry hadn't played much at all. In fact he did have a big game against Arkansas and I think Georgia State but he didn't appear much at all until those games.

But with Fowler not anywhere close to the guy he was, I don't know we won what we did without a proper power back.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
65086 posts
Posted on 1/3/14 at 7:40 am to
Why is everyone bitching about the offense when we had a QB who threw for nearly 400 yards last night, a pair of 100 yard wide receivers, and a RB who rushed for 100 yards on 8 carries?

The offense has not been the problem this year, not since September anyway. The defense, particularly our secondary, played horribly last night. Though I will admit the offenses's FIVE turnovers didn't help at all.

Posted by chattabama
12essee
Member since Jun 2012
19315 posts
Posted on 1/3/14 at 7:46 am to
Because we could have done more on offense. I don't give a frick how many yards we gained. Our playcalling sucked.

And I am more pissed about the defense, but this game could easily be pinned on the offense as well. Had we lost the ATM game this year, that would've solely been on the defense. This year they are equal ingredients in the shite sundae they served up last night.
Posted by Grievous Angel
Tuscaloosa, AL
Member since Dec 2008
9686 posts
Posted on 1/3/14 at 10:35 am to
quote:

I've lost faith in our coaching staff to truly prepare our guys.


And there it is.

You are part of the problem.

Were you expecting Bama to win every game and the BCS title 2 out of every three years from here on out?

Posted by chattabama
12essee
Member since Jun 2012
19315 posts
Posted on 1/3/14 at 10:49 am to
quote:

And there it is. You are part of the problem.


So tell me: after seeing two craptastic game plans, do you still have faith that our coaching staff will adjust? I'm sorry to say this, but I don't. What was our adjustment to JFF? I mean, Saban and Smart with a whole offseason to prepare will shut him down. 42 points later and we barely win in a shoot out. Are you telling me that was the best that they could do?

quote:

Were you expecting Bama to win every game and the BCS title 2 out of every three years from here on out?


I was expecting us to learn from the AU mistakes and not get beaten by the team that got wiped out by Baylor and a craptastic Texas team. I guess that is having too high of expectations for a man who is making 7 million.
Posted by Wulfgar
Member since Jan 2013
1208 posts
Posted on 1/3/14 at 11:02 am to
Not calling anyone out, But some of us seem to forget how bad Alabama's teams were before Coach Saban came to Alabama. Hell, We got beat by Hawaii and Minnesota. This loss might be just what was needed. This team is going to come into next season pissed off and hungry, Just like the '09 team. I think that being ranked #1 all season long caused some complacency and led to sleepwalking through some games. The 2014 defense is going to be a monster. Add Derrick Henry and a revamped O-Line and we'll be right back in the mix.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
65086 posts
Posted on 1/3/14 at 11:20 am to
quote:

Because we could have done more on offense.


We out gained OU last night by almost 100 yards. We moved the ball consistently down the field so play calling was not the problem. Execution was the problem last night as evidenced by the 5 turnovers. AJ threw one ball into triple coverage and threw a bad pass out to Cooper toward the end of the second half.

Posted by Dubosed
Gulf Breeze
Member since Nov 2012
7049 posts
Posted on 1/3/14 at 11:28 am to
Take a chill pill bud. Sure Coach Nuss and his play calling leave a lot to be desired sometimes but he's not as awful as you make him out to be. You can't win a game turning the ball over 5 times. It doesn't happen. The problem is the secondary. Saban and Smart can't do what they want to do on defense because the corners are just not as good or experienced as years past.

As long as Saban is around Bama will compete for titles year in and year out. What else more can you ask for dude? Have you already forgot about the dark days? I sure haven't. Wake the frick up and enjoy the glory years because you are living in them. And trust me they don't last forever.
Posted by Libertyabides71
Fyffe Alabama (Yeah the UFO place)
Member since Jul 2013
5082 posts
Posted on 1/3/14 at 11:41 am to
Damn I hope Saban doesn't read this board haha. If I was Saban and I read most of the comments around here. I would take the money (he has no buyout still) and go sit around the Lake and fish. Let some of our fanbase run the program.
Posted by chattabama
12essee
Member since Jun 2012
19315 posts
Posted on 1/3/14 at 11:51 am to
quote:

As long as Saban is around Bama will compete for titles year in and year out. What else more can you ask for dude? Have you already forgot about the dark days? I sure haven't. Wake the frick up and enjoy the glory years because you are living in them. And trust me they don't last forever.


Okay, so because it is not Shula roaming the sidelines, I should be grateful for the double dose shite sandwich that Saban served up in his last two games? The game planning sucked for OU. Yes, we had weak DBS. Who is that on? Who recruits them? Coaches them?
Posted by CrimsonCrusade
Member since Jan 2014
5152 posts
Posted on 1/3/14 at 12:06 pm to
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What makes you think that? We lose HaHa who is our best player in the secondary. We have Landon Collins and a crap ton of unknowns.


We return Landon Collins and Vinnie Sunseri will be back from injury. Sunseri is responsible for getting the secondary in position, and Clinton-Dix was never able to replicate Sunseri's ability in that regard. They lose Deion Belue, Nick Perry, and John Fulton. Belue has never been good, Perry and Fulton only played sparingly. Cyrus Jones, Geno Smith, Brandon Sylve, Jarrick Williams, and Eddie Jackson all return after getting valuable minutes in 2013, and they will improve with time. Think of the leaps Dre Kirkpatrick and Dee Milliner made after sorry 2010 campaigns. They already have one 5 star and one 4 star defensive back committed and will very likely land a second 5 star in Marlon Humphrey. Any way you slice it, the secondary should improve.
This post was edited on 1/3/14 at 12:16 pm
Posted by elposter
Member since Dec 2010
24924 posts
Posted on 1/3/14 at 1:08 pm to
quote:

Just like it was unlikely that Saban would lose to OU because Saban with a month to prepare... And these leaders won't be let down and all that other bullcrap we believed. I'm believing 8-4, possible chicken bowl appearance. I've lost faith in our coaching staff to truly prepare our guys. We had two weeks (and all season) to prepare for AU. We know what that got us. We had a month to prepare for OU. We saw where that got us. Calling it now, and go ahead and bookmark it. 8-4.


You are melting down. Alabama had a bit of a down year that resulted in a 11-2 season. If these are your team's down years, there is really no reason to be melting down like this.

Since 2008:

12-2 (Sugar Bowl)
14-0 (NC)
10-3 (Cap One)
12-1 (NC)
13-1 (NC)
11-2 (Sugar Bowl)

I'll take this kind of pattern for the next 30 years, thanks. Anybody would. You are spoiled.
Posted by remaster916
Alabama
Member since Oct 2012
12223 posts
Posted on 1/3/14 at 1:09 pm to
Bama will be fine next year as long as the o-line improves. I think we might need to replace everone coming back on the o-line next year, except Kelly(Kelly needs to get above 300 lbs) With Cyrus and Steen gone Bama needs to go with mostly new players C-Rob and Hill at the tackles, Dom Jackson and Brow or Sheppard at guard. The secondary will be one of the best in the Saban era next year. The o-line steps up and Bama will at leats win the conference.
Posted by chattabama
12essee
Member since Jun 2012
19315 posts
Posted on 1/3/14 at 1:14 pm to
Instead of giving past records, look at this team and our schedule and tell me what you think is going to happen next year. After all, this year was supposed to be our last good year and next year is supposed to be the rebuilding year.

We can say we will make adjustments, but is that real? We spent all offseason planning a defensive game plan for JFF. How'd that work out? Barely winning in a shoot out. I can't think of one position group that improved during the course of this year. Can you?

We will have a first year starter under center, and at this point we haven't the slightest idea who that might be. We are replacing Haha and Mosley on the defense. Who is going to step up?
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