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Was Anthony Grant's tenure even better than Avery's?
Posted on 3/6/19 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 3/6/19 at 2:11 pm
Grant
-Had Alabama ranked at a few points
-Usually had Bama at the top of the SEC table, usually within chaos/touching distance of the top.
-Undefeated home season
-Equaled Johnson's ONE NCAA tournament appearance, but did so without an NBA lottery pick
-Beat Kentucky twice
-Put on an entertaining product for a season or two with Releford, JaMychal Green and Tony Mitchell LINK
Johnson
-one NCAA Tournament win
-we received AP votes a few times
-um....
-Collin Sexton
-uh.....
-beat Kentucky once
-I mean.... his recruiting wins didn't end up being complete busts like Devonta Pollard, so there's that.
Basically, gun to my head, I'd rather relive the Grant era again, than the Johnson era.
-Had Alabama ranked at a few points
-Usually had Bama at the top of the SEC table, usually within chaos/touching distance of the top.
-Undefeated home season
-Equaled Johnson's ONE NCAA tournament appearance, but did so without an NBA lottery pick
-Beat Kentucky twice
-Put on an entertaining product for a season or two with Releford, JaMychal Green and Tony Mitchell LINK
Johnson
-one NCAA Tournament win
-we received AP votes a few times
-um....
-Collin Sexton
-uh.....
-beat Kentucky once
-I mean.... his recruiting wins didn't end up being complete busts like Devonta Pollard, so there's that.
Basically, gun to my head, I'd rather relive the Grant era again, than the Johnson era.
This post was edited on 3/6/19 at 2:16 pm
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Posted on 3/6/19 at 2:15 pm to Lordofwrath88
No, it was very similar. Grant gets inflated win totals due to playing in the miserably awful SEC West.
If those Grant teams were playing in today's SEC where they weren't just playing the 2011 Auburn and State of the world twice then they'd be around 8-10/9-9 at best too.
If those Grant teams were playing in today's SEC where they weren't just playing the 2011 Auburn and State of the world twice then they'd be around 8-10/9-9 at best too.
This post was edited on 3/6/19 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 3/6/19 at 2:18 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Grants teams had much better fundamentals. The offense was putrid but we played hard nosed defense, rebounded and could inbound the ball competently. Recruiting goes to Avery, so does promoting the program. But the Xs and Os go to Grant and it’s not even close.
This post was edited on 3/6/19 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 3/6/19 at 2:24 pm to SummerOfGeorge
2011 Alabama went 12-4 in the SEC. Here were their wins and those teams RPI rank
@ Mississippi State (#121)
South Carolina (#140)
Kentucky (#5)
@ Auburn (#253)
LSU (#224)
Mississippi State (#121)
@ Tennessee (#41)
Ole Miss (#85)
@ LSU (#224)
Arkansas (#131)
Auburn (#253)
Georgia (#52)
4 of our wins were Top 100 wins. 8 of our 12 wins were vs teams in the 100+ RPI range. 4 of our 12 wins were vs temas in the 200+ RPI range.
2019 SEC Wins
vs Kentucky (#6)
@ Missouri (#128)
vs Ole Miss (#59)
vs Mississippi St (#23)
vs Georgia (#154)
@ Vanderbilt (#204)
vs Vanderbilt (#204)
@ South Carolina (#90)
4 of our 8 wins were Top 100 wins. 4 of our 8 wins were vs teams in the 100+ RPI range. 2 of our 8 wins were vs temas in the 200+ RPI range.
So, basically the exact same makeup of "tough" wins and we will be much worse overall because the league is so much deeper and better.
@ Mississippi State (#121)
South Carolina (#140)
Kentucky (#5)
@ Auburn (#253)
LSU (#224)
Mississippi State (#121)
@ Tennessee (#41)
Ole Miss (#85)
@ LSU (#224)
Arkansas (#131)
Auburn (#253)
Georgia (#52)
4 of our wins were Top 100 wins. 8 of our 12 wins were vs teams in the 100+ RPI range. 4 of our 12 wins were vs temas in the 200+ RPI range.
2019 SEC Wins
vs Kentucky (#6)
@ Missouri (#128)
vs Ole Miss (#59)
vs Mississippi St (#23)
vs Georgia (#154)
@ Vanderbilt (#204)
vs Vanderbilt (#204)
@ South Carolina (#90)
4 of our 8 wins were Top 100 wins. 4 of our 8 wins were vs teams in the 100+ RPI range. 2 of our 8 wins were vs temas in the 200+ RPI range.
So, basically the exact same makeup of "tough" wins and we will be much worse overall because the league is so much deeper and better.
This post was edited on 3/6/19 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 3/6/19 at 2:25 pm to phil4bama
Basically similar. The only thing is that Avery is a smooth talker where Grant barely said anything.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 2:26 pm to Lordofwrath88
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Put on an entertaining product for a season or two with Releford, JaMychal Green and Tony Mitchell
Meh. Entertaining in transition. The second half of that season was as painful as last season under Avery- just holding onto a tournament bid.
We almost lost to an abysmal South Carolina team whose best player was a receiver (Bruce Ellington) in the SEC tournament that year to lose our bid.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 2:27 pm to TomRollTideRitter
Yea, no reason to go all revisionist history on the Grant era. It sucked just as badly as this one does.
Grants team games vs RPI 100+
2010 : 16 games (13-3)
2011 : 21 games (17-4)
2012 : 15 games (14-1)
2013 : 18 games (14-4)
2014 : 12 games (7-5)
2015 : 12 games (12-0)
Avery's teams games vs RPI 100+
2016 : 14 games (11-3)
2017 : 17 games (14-3)
2018 : 9 games (8-1)
2019 : 11 games (9-2)
Grants early "good" teams played 2/3 to 3/4 of their schedule against dog shite.
We've playd 20 games vs RPI 100+ teams in the last 2 seasons combined. We played 21 ALONE in 2011.
Grants team games vs RPI 100+
2010 : 16 games (13-3)
2011 : 21 games (17-4)
2012 : 15 games (14-1)
2013 : 18 games (14-4)
2014 : 12 games (7-5)
2015 : 12 games (12-0)
Avery's teams games vs RPI 100+
2016 : 14 games (11-3)
2017 : 17 games (14-3)
2018 : 9 games (8-1)
2019 : 11 games (9-2)
Grants early "good" teams played 2/3 to 3/4 of their schedule against dog shite.
We've playd 20 games vs RPI 100+ teams in the last 2 seasons combined. We played 21 ALONE in 2011.
This post was edited on 3/6/19 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 3/6/19 at 2:29 pm to Lordofwrath88
Talk about recency bias.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 2:38 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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Meh. Entertaining in transition. The second half of that season was as painful as last season under Avery- just holding onto a tournament bid.
We almost lost to an abysmal South Carolina team whose best player was a receiver (Bruce Ellington) in the SEC tournament that year to lose our bid.
We were 13-3 (2-0) on January 11th.
We were 16-9 (5-6) on February 14th. We beat 3 bad teams and an average Tennessee team then lost to a bleh Ole Miss team in Oxford to put our tournament hopes in doubt and almost lost to a 10-21 Carolina team in the tournament that would have knocked us out. We then did not win a tournament game.
The Grant era sucked.
This post was edited on 3/6/19 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 3/6/19 at 2:56 pm to Lordofwrath88
It all just sucks. Some of the coaches currently in the SEC would have the roster with Releford, Mitchell, Green, Lacey, Randolph, etc as a 4 seed or better
Hell Dovonta Pollard might have been on that team too but he didn’t look good until after he left
Hell Dovonta Pollard might have been on that team too but he didn’t look good until after he left
This post was edited on 3/6/19 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 3/6/19 at 6:09 pm to Lordofwrath88
I’m having a bad day so please don’t take this the wrong way but none of the accomplishments you listed for Grant are really accomplishments. Who cares about being ranked, beating Kentucky or being undefeated at home?
Avery has a tournament victory and a lottery pick. That’s makes Avery’s tenure better than Grant’s.
Avery has a tournament victory and a lottery pick. That’s makes Avery’s tenure better than Grant’s.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 6:24 pm to SummerOfGeorge
At least Grant's teams defended home court...
Posted on 3/6/19 at 6:49 pm to Lordofwrath88
Nah.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 7:07 pm to Lordofwrath88
I consider it an all around loss because we can even debate it.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 7:26 pm to Cobrasize
We didn’t inbound worth a damn under Grant either. Y’all have lost your memory. We have done that right since Hobbs (was that his name?). We did suck under Hobbs as well tho.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 8:05 pm to Ol'DirtyCam
We have sucked for a long time honestly
Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:58 am to Lordofwrath88
Grant killed Bama BB. He was F pathetic.
Posted on 3/7/19 at 8:09 am to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
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Grant killed Bama BB. He was F pathetic.
No, he didn't.
Posted on 3/7/19 at 8:10 am to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
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Grant killed Bama BB. He was F pathetic.
Nobody has killed it. They've all kept it humming at a middling pace.
Posted on 3/7/19 at 2:27 pm to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
We were annual bubble-sitters at the end of Gottfried's tenure.
We were annual bubble-sitters at the end of Grant's tenure.
We are STILL annual bubble-sitters 4 years into CAJ's tenure.
Grant didn't leave us any better off than when he got here, but he didn't leave us any worse off, either.
We were annual bubble-sitters at the end of Grant's tenure.
We are STILL annual bubble-sitters 4 years into CAJ's tenure.
Grant didn't leave us any better off than when he got here, but he didn't leave us any worse off, either.
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