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Should football officials be nationally assigned, rather than regionally assigned?
Posted on 10/25/22 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 10/25/22 at 3:36 pm
It wouldn't be perfect, since officiating is an imperfect craft. But right now, every fan bitches about his conference officials. Incompetence is cited as a reason, but mostly bias by school affiliation or conference office is attributed.
I don't know why officials couldn't be pooled and assigned nationally. Similar to basketball. It would be easy to profile the officials' individually by backgrounds. If the official lives, works or attended a school that could that would readily benefit from one of the participating teams' game result, this official could be assigned elsewhere.
Guys living or working in the SE footprint, could normally work in the Big Ten or West Coast, etc. If USC was #1 and Georgia was #2, you wouldn't send a Georgia guy to that game. You'd assign someone from the Northeast.
The downside is some regular crews become very comfortable working with each other. But a truly dedicated official should be able to work with that.
The expense would be a non-factor if officials' expense money was pooled similar to March Madness money. And you are never, ever ever going to see fulltime college football officials unless we go to a true super league of 32-64 teams, etc.
My $.02.
I don't know why officials couldn't be pooled and assigned nationally. Similar to basketball. It would be easy to profile the officials' individually by backgrounds. If the official lives, works or attended a school that could that would readily benefit from one of the participating teams' game result, this official could be assigned elsewhere.
Guys living or working in the SE footprint, could normally work in the Big Ten or West Coast, etc. If USC was #1 and Georgia was #2, you wouldn't send a Georgia guy to that game. You'd assign someone from the Northeast.
The downside is some regular crews become very comfortable working with each other. But a truly dedicated official should be able to work with that.
The expense would be a non-factor if officials' expense money was pooled similar to March Madness money. And you are never, ever ever going to see fulltime college football officials unless we go to a true super league of 32-64 teams, etc.
My $.02.
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Posted on 10/25/22 at 3:39 pm to TroyTider
Need to pay them enough so they can do it full time. Then they need to fire em when they do screw up.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 3:44 pm to TroyTider
Buddy works the chains at MSU and they meet and arrive with SEC officials 3 hours before every game so he talks to them . They upped their pay last year but get no money for travel , lodging , or food . Not sure how that would pan out sending them way off
The SEC no longer pays for an alternate official either each week
The SEC no longer pays for an alternate official either each week
This post was edited on 10/25/22 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 10/25/22 at 3:51 pm to Bear88
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They upped their pay last year but get no money for travel , lodging , or food .
They can't write any of this off on their taxes?
Posted on 10/25/22 at 3:53 pm to Bear88
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They upped their pay last year but get no money for travel , lodging , or food .
For a Billion Dollar industry this is unacceptable. There is more than enough money to pay these folks to do it full time and then hold them more accountable.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 4:01 pm to Night Vision
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They can't write any of this off on their taxes?
I have no idea. Just repeating what he said bc he is on my officiating crew and we were speculating how much they made . I think they just stopped paying recently . Some make decent and some can be 700 a game
This post was edited on 10/25/22 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 10/25/22 at 4:51 pm to BFANLC
That would be about $10 million before travel and per diem. Affordable for the larger schools but more than triple what it costs per school now.
How would being full time eliminate perceived bias? Would they try harder?
And who would they try harder to impress?
What do 50 crews do from December - September, besides spring games (hardly a good refresher)?
The wed bitch about them sitting on their @sses for eight months like we do for teachers getting a two month summer break.
How would being full time eliminate perceived bias? Would they try harder?
And who would they try harder to impress?
What do 50 crews do from December - September, besides spring games (hardly a good refresher)?
The wed bitch about them sitting on their @sses for eight months like we do for teachers getting a two month summer break.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 4:55 pm to Bear88
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get no money for travel , lodging , or food . Not sure how that would pan out sending them way off
What else could do though, to eliminate or at least lower the pretense of impropriety, except move them farther from their roots?
You damn sure can’t fire ‘em all., like others suggest. The surviving officials would be working two games per week.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 4:56 pm to Night Vision
Of course they can write off expenses.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 5:04 pm to AeroEngUA07
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For a Billion Dollar industry
That’s why assigning maybe should be done nationally. If the money is pooled and coming from the NCAA instead of the conference offices, there would certainly less implication of hidden or ot her wise bias or favoritism.
If the officials or crew screw up, some or all may have to work a level like SE Tech vs Lower State U next week if they're lucky enough to get a game. The highest in game graded performers could then work the better games in which they have no inherent conflicts.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 5:06 pm to TroyTider
Absolutely not. We (schools) can have more influence at a more regional level. That's why we have conferences instead of everyone falling directly under the NCAA. Having regional control kept us on the field in 2020 while other conferences didn't play.
If there was as much bias as LSU/Auburn fans say, ADs and Presidents would do something about it.
If there was as much bias as LSU/Auburn fans say, ADs and Presidents would do something about it.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 5:07 pm to TroyTider
I could see it working for a P5 system only but there are so many teams and different levels , FCS, D2,D3, JUCO etc , I don’t know what the answer is. I read somewhere where college officials have to go to a couple of mechanics clinics a year, have weekly meetings to discuss previous and next games , take weekly written tests , etc… I don’t see how they do it all and keep a regular job . They should be full time IMO
Posted on 10/25/22 at 5:10 pm to TizzyT4theUofA
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We (schools) can have more influence at a more regional level.
Pretty much what losing fans are bitching about now. They’re always gonna bitch about something. My suggestion is about eliminating perceived bias.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 5:12 pm to TroyTider
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Pretty much what losing fans are bitching about now. They’re always gonna bitch about something. My suggestion is about eliminating perceived bias.
When I say influence, I'm not talking about influence on the sideline. I mean when they are not meeting the standard, something can be done about it.
I'll add you're right, fans will bitch about anything to explain away a loss.
This post was edited on 10/25/22 at 5:14 pm
Posted on 10/25/22 at 5:20 pm to Bear88
My $10 million estimate was based on salaries of $120,000+- per official, With 3 extra officials at the game in case of injury.
Even at that rate, I’m not sure I’d want that job. Knowing sooner or later, age or health would catch up. Life span would be about 20 years, at best. And then what do you do at age 45-50? Start at the bottom and work your way up, doing something new?
Even at that rate, I’m not sure I’d want that job. Knowing sooner or later, age or health would catch up. Life span would be about 20 years, at best. And then what do you do at age 45-50? Start at the bottom and work your way up, doing something new?
Posted on 10/25/22 at 5:27 pm to TizzyT4theUofA
With national assigning, punishment could be lower level games until you worked your way back up. The standard is tougher and tougher with HDTV and replay.
There is not a line of good qualified guys to officiate at any level now. Maybe it’s the pay. But it’s also the commitment.
The best local level official is the one who’s most dependable. He will show up as needed.
The most qualified guy to be an official is often a guy in the stands, with good judgement and integrity. Unfortunately, his judgement and integrity may have already been acknowledged by a better paying job. He is then not useful, since he’s not available.
It’s tough either way.
There is not a line of good qualified guys to officiate at any level now. Maybe it’s the pay. But it’s also the commitment.
The best local level official is the one who’s most dependable. He will show up as needed.
The most qualified guy to be an official is often a guy in the stands, with good judgement and integrity. Unfortunately, his judgement and integrity may have already been acknowledged by a better paying job. He is then not useful, since he’s not available.
It’s tough either way.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 5:36 pm to TroyTider
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There is not a line of good qualified guys to officiate at any level now.
So true .
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The best local level official is the one who’s most dependable. He will show up as needed.
Also true . Got a guy on my crew who has missed 4 games this year . Hell , I know things come up sometimes but they say he does it every year…. Just don’t do it
Posted on 10/25/22 at 5:39 pm to TroyTider
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There is not a line of good qualified guys to officiate at any level now.
So true .
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The best local level official is the one who’s most dependable. He will show up as needed.
Also true . Got a guy on my crew who has missed 4 games this year . Hell , I know things come up sometimes but they say he does it every year…. Just don’t do it
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He will show up as needed.
Yep, that’s how I get a lot of jr high games during the week. I use jr high to get experience at different roles in case I have to move to another
Posted on 10/25/22 at 5:45 pm to Bear88
Officials should be criticized - at most by each other. Constructively and Analytically done via peer pressure is a good way to learn.
Fans Going wayTF overboard is What runs too many immature, potentially good ones off. Most fans don’t actually realize how many good ones they run off before the newbie gets a chance to get his legs under him - any sport.
Fans Going wayTF overboard is What runs too many immature, potentially good ones off. Most fans don’t actually realize how many good ones they run off before the newbie gets a chance to get his legs under him - any sport.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 5:48 pm to TroyTider
Baseball and softball are the worst … nobody wants to do it anymore bc of fans and the money is decent for HS and especially travel ball
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