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re: Jonathan Taylor arrested for...... domestic violence
Posted on 4/2/15 at 8:20 pm to TideWarrior
Posted on 4/2/15 at 8:20 pm to TideWarrior
Believe it or not, some people want to see the kid change for the better. Do you think anyone here thinks that we need amother beast DLineman? We are stout as frick at that position. No one is defending what he did at uga, people are simply saying that if she did indeed lie about the situation, then that's fricked up.
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Posted on 4/2/15 at 8:22 pm to TideWarrior
How is that a win at all cost? It's a question of morals. There's nothing right in allowing someone, who you've given a second chance, to lose it for doing nothing.
You can argue the original signing to be a win motive but now it's a completely different situation.
You can argue the original signing to be a win motive but now it's a completely different situation.
This post was edited on 4/2/15 at 8:23 pm
Posted on 4/2/15 at 8:48 pm to UhOhOreo
Except some stats out there show that as high as 90% of domestic violence claims are recanted.
Non-cooperation by recantation or failure to appear at trial is an epidemic in domestic violence cases. Persons qualified to give expert testimony at trial on domestic violence, including psychologists, counselors, police detectives,directors of battered women's shelters, and victim advocates, consistently testify that, in their experience, it is commonplace for domestic violence victims to recant or minimize initial reports of abuse. The head of the Family Violence Division of the Los Angeles District Attorney's Office estimates that ninety percent of domestic violence victims recant
And mainly because of including psychological trauma, external pressures from the batterer, and the fear of more of the same type of behavior.
In the end it does not matter he is gone and the staff seemed to think their was enough to dismiss him. Not sure what they were thinking in the beginning but it is what it is.
Non-cooperation by recantation or failure to appear at trial is an epidemic in domestic violence cases. Persons qualified to give expert testimony at trial on domestic violence, including psychologists, counselors, police detectives,directors of battered women's shelters, and victim advocates, consistently testify that, in their experience, it is commonplace for domestic violence victims to recant or minimize initial reports of abuse. The head of the Family Violence Division of the Los Angeles District Attorney's Office estimates that ninety percent of domestic violence victims recant
And mainly because of including psychological trauma, external pressures from the batterer, and the fear of more of the same type of behavior.
In the end it does not matter he is gone and the staff seemed to think their was enough to dismiss him. Not sure what they were thinking in the beginning but it is what it is.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:20 pm to TideWarrior
You're using the highest possible spectrum for that point. Recants have been shown to be as high as 90% but numerous other studies have found them to be lower than that figure.
I understand well enough how that works. The issue here is that not all cases of recants are due to being pressured. One thing we seem to be gleaning over is the fact that she was arrested and charged with falsifying a report to police. That doesn't normally happen in recant situations unless there's evidence that it might possiby be true. At this point in time we can't go with a guilty until procen mindset but rather have to wait until the case is finished and all the evidence is presented.
If a man wants to change, is changing, and then is unfairly robbed of that opportunity by a lie then he should not be left on his own. Taylor obviously convinced the staff he was all in or we would never have taken the risk. We have no right to make a moral judgment off a knee jerk media reaction but should rather see how the case plays out.
I understand well enough how that works. The issue here is that not all cases of recants are due to being pressured. One thing we seem to be gleaning over is the fact that she was arrested and charged with falsifying a report to police. That doesn't normally happen in recant situations unless there's evidence that it might possiby be true. At this point in time we can't go with a guilty until procen mindset but rather have to wait until the case is finished and all the evidence is presented.
If a man wants to change, is changing, and then is unfairly robbed of that opportunity by a lie then he should not be left on his own. Taylor obviously convinced the staff he was all in or we would never have taken the risk. We have no right to make a moral judgment off a knee jerk media reaction but should rather see how the case plays out.
This post was edited on 4/2/15 at 9:22 pm
Posted on 4/2/15 at 9:39 pm to UhOhOreo
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One thing we seem to be gleaning over is the fact that she was arrested and charged with falsifying a report to police. That doesn't normally happen in recant situations unless there's evidence that it might possiby be true.
Actually this is a very hot topic with DV in the court system. Some states actually require by law to charge the accuser who recants with perjury other states are trying to make it harder to do so. But there is no need to discuss issues arising form the VAWA on here.
So now because the media reports on the police arresting Taylor and charges of DV were issued it is a knee jerk reaction? And even if she recants it does not drop the charges if the police want to still go after him.
We can go back and forth so as stated earlier the best news I have heard all week.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 10:45 pm to sarc
My thoughts once again:
@travisreier: Which story should we believe in the Taylor fiasco? Not sure, but probably another reason why it needed to be someone else's fiasco.
@travisreier: Which story should we believe in the Taylor fiasco? Not sure, but probably another reason why it needed to be someone else's fiasco.
Posted on 4/3/15 at 11:51 am to sarc
Actually, those are Travis Reier's thoughts....
Posted on 4/3/15 at 11:59 am to Funky Tide 8
How do you know I'm not Travis Reier...
Posted on 4/3/15 at 12:09 pm to TideWarrior
The best news you've heard all week is a college students career was possibly forever ruined by a lie? And all because you're afraid of some bad PR for your favorite football team?
Who has the "win at all cost" attitude ITT?
Who has the "win at all cost" attitude ITT?
Posted on 4/3/15 at 12:49 pm to sarc
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How do you know I'm not Travis Reier...
I thought about, but then it'd just be very odd for you to quote a tweet that you made...
Posted on 4/3/15 at 7:19 pm to nb200016
Get over yourself. I never wanted him on the team to begin with. He had a chance for his career and blew it at UGA. So do not go there with that BS.
And if I really cared about bad PR UA would not be a school I would support. Not when we have idiots like updyke and fans that believe as long as a player can start lets give him 2nd chance if it helps win a NC who cares if he has beaten up a student or his girlfriend. I support the program and understand there are idiots that do as well and when the program is at the top it will always be a target of the media and rival fans.
And if I really cared about bad PR UA would not be a school I would support. Not when we have idiots like updyke and fans that believe as long as a player can start lets give him 2nd chance if it helps win a NC who cares if he has beaten up a student or his girlfriend. I support the program and understand there are idiots that do as well and when the program is at the top it will always be a target of the media and rival fans.
Posted on 4/3/15 at 9:21 pm to TideWarrior
Saban speaks with ESPN.com:
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There's a difference between saying "I'll never give a kid a second chance" vs "I learned from this incident and won't recruit a kid with a DV charge against them."
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Saban, who defended giving Taylor another chance after his Georgia dismissal amid criticism with the decision, said Taylor had been undergoing counseling at Alabama but was signed under a zero-tolerance policy.
"I never want to discontinue giving kids opportunities," Saban told ESPN. "If you're a coach, you're a teacher. Teachers are always trying to inspire people to do better, to learn, to grow. That's what we do, and we're proud of the success we've had here doing that and it's something we'll certainly continue to do."
Saban also apologized for Monday's testy news conference in which he would not apologize for signing Taylor, but did say he was "very, very sorry for the way this worked out." On Thursday, Saban said it was never his intention to come across as insensitive to domestic violence.
"Look, I didn't handle it the best way and I take responsibility for that, but I certainly didn't mean for it to come across that I was insensitive to the seriousness of domestic violence," Saban told ESPN.com.
"I'm not insensitive to this issue. I'm very sensitive to it and will continue to be, but I also believe in giving kids chances. That's the point I was trying to make. I'm sorry for the incident, sorry for the people involved in the incident, sorry this ever happened, sorry for our team, sorry for the university. I'm sorry in every way. But I'm not sorry for giving the guy an opportunity because that sets you up to never be able to give the next guy an opportunity."
While many officials on Alabama's campus were involved in Taylor's vetting process, Saban said he's ultimately responsible for all players the Crimson Tide bring into the football program.
"I never tried to act like it wasn't my fault," Saban told ESPN.com. "I take responsibility for everything that happened and the fact that it didn't work this time. I've learned from this experience, but you've got to move on so you can make the best decision when another situation comes up. It's not being vindictive. It's not trying to make people think that I'm going to prove to you that I'm right.
"That's not the issue here. The issue is the kids, the players, the people. We'll be better because of this going forward."
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There's a difference between saying "I'll never give a kid a second chance" vs "I learned from this incident and won't recruit a kid with a DV charge against them."
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