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Jim Cheney must be an X's and O's savant
Posted on 12/3/18 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 12/3/18 at 3:33 pm
I mean, obviously we are all very familiar with him due to his time at Tennessee, Arkansas and now Georgia, but man he must be able to scheme some shite. That is 2 straight years where he came out with a bunch of wrinkles that had our defensive guys confused and totally thrown for a loop.
I know that his play-calling is sometimes criticized, but strictly in terms of developing plays for a defense and drawing new stuff up he must be an elite mind.
Now, both years we went in at halftime and adjusted, and they never really adjusted back, so that is the flip side.
I know that his play-calling is sometimes criticized, but strictly in terms of developing plays for a defense and drawing new stuff up he must be an elite mind.
Now, both years we went in at halftime and adjusted, and they never really adjusted back, so that is the flip side.
This post was edited on 12/3/18 at 3:34 pm
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Posted on 12/3/18 at 3:38 pm to SummerOfGeorge
If UGA keeps trotting out 330 lb OLs coached by Pittman I think I could run that O
Posted on 12/3/18 at 3:39 pm to phaz
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If UGA keeps trotting out 330 lb OLs coached by Pittman I think I could run that O
My gosh that dude can coach. They just plug and play and it does not matter.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 3:45 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I don't really get your insinuation that GA's first half offensive success was some novel occurence. This happens not only to Bama quite frequently, but to everyone in the rest of CFB as well.
It is a very common occurrence that teams scheme some really advantageous stuff for their offenses in the first half, thereby allowing underdogs to compete. And then usually, the better team adjusts and takes control of the game. I have to ask: do you watch cfb outside of Bama games? If you did, you wouldn't start this kind of thread.
Cheney's a heckuva coach, but there are scores of offensive and defensive minds all over CFB who can scheme Xs and Os with the best of them.
I think, for you, this felt a little different somehow, but I think that's just because GA's offensive success was against the backdrop of our own offensive struggles. However, we likely/literally took 14 points off the board with 2 drops alone. Make those catches, and you're not starting threads about a pretty good opposing OC having abnormal brain morphology/chemistry, i.e. savant.
Bama is not God as it pertains to football. We are vulnerable at times, and we certainly didn't play a good first half. Most teams can't take advantage of those Xs and Os vulnerabilities because of the discrepancy between their jimmies and our joes. GA just did it with comparable talent and coaching, and here we are.
But nothing about that game was uncommon (other than Jalen's heroics).
It is a very common occurrence that teams scheme some really advantageous stuff for their offenses in the first half, thereby allowing underdogs to compete. And then usually, the better team adjusts and takes control of the game. I have to ask: do you watch cfb outside of Bama games? If you did, you wouldn't start this kind of thread.
Cheney's a heckuva coach, but there are scores of offensive and defensive minds all over CFB who can scheme Xs and Os with the best of them.
I think, for you, this felt a little different somehow, but I think that's just because GA's offensive success was against the backdrop of our own offensive struggles. However, we likely/literally took 14 points off the board with 2 drops alone. Make those catches, and you're not starting threads about a pretty good opposing OC having abnormal brain morphology/chemistry, i.e. savant.
Bama is not God as it pertains to football. We are vulnerable at times, and we certainly didn't play a good first half. Most teams can't take advantage of those Xs and Os vulnerabilities because of the discrepancy between their jimmies and our joes. GA just did it with comparable talent and coaching, and here we are.
But nothing about that game was uncommon (other than Jalen's heroics).
Posted on 12/3/18 at 4:09 pm to prevatt33
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I don't really get your insinuation that GA's first half offensive success was some novel occurence. This happens not only to Bama quite frequently, but to everyone in the rest of CFB as well.
It was novel in the way that Saban specifically said multiple times after the game (just as he did after the title game last year) that Georgia had our defensive players extremely confused because of the tweaks they made to formations, motions and route trees off of it. He said they had to get the guys in at halftime and calm them down, because they were getting confused on new things and that was making them second guess themselves on the things they actually did know.
We get beat on defense sometimes, and Georgia has really good players. On top of that Fromm played an outstanding football game (especially the 1st half). That part isn't crazy at all. The specifics of us being confused like that for 2 straight years against a team that isn't foreign to us is a pretty damn big compliment to the guy putting together those schemes, IMHO.
This entire thread was based off of those comments by Saban not once, but twice after playing Georgia in a game like this. That doesn't happen a whole lot and is a pretty big tip of the cap to the guy on the other sideline.
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"They had formationed us in a couple things that, um, confused our players a little bit. And sometimes when the players get confused, then they get confused on the things they did practice. We just had to get everybody settled down. Make the right adjustments."
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Posted on 12/3/18 at 4:27 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I don't know how likely this is, but it wouldn't surprise me to learn that Kirby and his staff (especially Cheney) spent a ton of time during the offseason prepping for a rematch with us.
Kirby knows (or knew) our defensive tendencies better than anyone, and they had the game film from the national championship game to study. They also knew, or had a strong suspicion, they'd be playing us in the SEC championship game all year long.
I don't think their obsession is to Auburn's level yet -- I KNOW those guys game-plan against us all year long -- but I'm betting they spent a lot more time prepping for us than we did for them. Revenge is a strong motivator.
Kirby knows (or knew) our defensive tendencies better than anyone, and they had the game film from the national championship game to study. They also knew, or had a strong suspicion, they'd be playing us in the SEC championship game all year long.
I don't think their obsession is to Auburn's level yet -- I KNOW those guys game-plan against us all year long -- but I'm betting they spent a lot more time prepping for us than we did for them. Revenge is a strong motivator.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 4:29 pm to Sauron
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I don't know how likely this is, but it wouldn't surprise me to learn that Kirby and his staff (especially Cheney) spent a ton of time during the offseason prepping for a rematch with us.
Wouldn't doubt it at all - I'd be dissapointed as a fan of theirs if they hadn't devoted some offseason/summer time to it.
It would be a bit disconcerting to me that they basically had a great plan, executed it to near perfection.........and then were not able to execute much at all once we spent 15 minutes in the locker room adjusting.
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Posted on 12/3/18 at 5:02 pm to SummerOfGeorge
UGA has the players/athletes to make any system work and they will only get better. Nothing fancy about a really good QB throwin the ball down the middle of the field when the TE is elite. The Bama LBer didn't do his job.
Bill Bilichick........"do your job"
Bill Bilichick........"do your job"
Posted on 12/3/18 at 5:35 pm to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
Jib
Posted on 12/3/18 at 6:33 pm to SummerOfGeorge
They exploited what I feared was our issue all season, get our LB's covering in space or have them hesitate. Their chunk plays all seemingly came from a LB being forced to cover someone or being unable to shed a block after allowing a lineman to reach the 2nd level. The defense was mostly fine with it came to sort of the expected situational plays like 3rd and 8+ and even some 3rd and shorts.
That staff knows a ton about what we want to do on defense, especially considering I doubt Tosh has really been able to put his imprint on it because he is so new to the job.
That staff knows a ton about what we want to do on defense, especially considering I doubt Tosh has really been able to put his imprint on it because he is so new to the job.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 7:37 pm to RTR America
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That staff knows a ton about what we want to do on defense, especially considering I doubt Tosh has really been able to put his imprint on it because he is so new to the job.
That's a really good point.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 8:12 pm to SummerOfGeorge
UGA is our biggest obstacle for the foreseeable future. Kirby has taken Saban’s program and replicated it in a state with tons of high school talent. He’s also hired a great staff. It will be interesting to see if he can replace his staff without missing a beat as Saban has, now that teams will begin to poach his staff.
Cheney had great plans for us the last two years. Saban adjusted both years at the half and came back out and whipped his tail though. I will say this, if and when Brent Key moves on, we ought to go make Pittman the highest paid OL coach in history. Do what you gotta do to get him here. He’s turned a sissy OL at Georgia into a massive, mean unit. He’s the best in the business at this point. How is he not in the NFL coaching?
Cheney had great plans for us the last two years. Saban adjusted both years at the half and came back out and whipped his tail though. I will say this, if and when Brent Key moves on, we ought to go make Pittman the highest paid OL coach in history. Do what you gotta do to get him here. He’s turned a sissy OL at Georgia into a massive, mean unit. He’s the best in the business at this point. How is he not in the NFL coaching?
Posted on 12/3/18 at 8:17 pm to SummerOfGeorge
quote:while he is a good OC, I am certain Smart has more of his hands in that gameplan basket given his own intimate knowledge of what is and is not effective against a Saban defense.
That is 2 straight years where he came out with a bunch of wrinkles that had our defensive guys confused and totally thrown for a loop.
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