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Posted on 9/21/15 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 9/21/15 at 12:57 pm
If I played DB tomorrow in a flag football game it would be the first time ever to cover someone. I played with my hand on the ground
Seems like we never get our head turned around to find the ball so we can make a play on it. I know face guarding/playing the reciever is legal in college, is this what they are being coached to do or are they maybe not athletic enough to cover and turn and find the ball?
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Seems like we never get our head turned around to find the ball so we can make a play on it. I know face guarding/playing the reciever is legal in college, is this what they are being coached to do or are they maybe not athletic enough to cover and turn and find the ball?
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This post was edited on 9/21/15 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 9/21/15 at 1:00 pm to Interweb Cowboy
Where is it? Great point
Posted on 9/21/15 at 1:08 pm to Interweb Cowboy
I think it has and always been "Watch their eyes and hands, not the ball" under Saban.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 1:19 pm to MagillaGuerilla
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I think it has and always been "Watch their eyes and hands, not the ball" under Saban.
But there has got to be clues or something that keys you in that the ball is on the way "turn your head and find the ball"
Posted on 9/21/15 at 1:38 pm to Interweb Cowboy
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But there has got to be clues or something that keys you in that the ball is on the way "turn your head and find the ball"
The clue is the eyes and hands, the WR will react when the ball is coming towards them. The DB is suppose to see that and make a play on the ball.
Breaking it up is easier than interceptions with this method though...
Posted on 9/21/15 at 1:42 pm to MagillaGuerilla
When your players continually cannot execute your method, you need to adjust it. But when has Nick Saban ever attempted to make adjustments? He'll just keep harping on execution, and continue to get exposed.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 1:44 pm to Interweb Cowboy
I played DB in high school and the rule with us was to turn your head around after you have engaged the receiver. It worked fine with us.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 2:02 pm to Interweb Cowboy
Back peddle watching hips/belt until cut (don't bite hard, stay in a football position), or until receiver is within two strides. Within two strides start your turn facing receiver, do not allow him to get deeper than you - ever, watch eyes and turn when hands stop their running motion. The key when looking back for ball is to step in toward receiver lest you drift apart and leave him open. In the back peddle know if you are playing him inside out or outside in. Easy, anyone on this board can do it, or so I've read.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 2:10 pm to nc14
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Easy, anyone on this board can do it, or so I've read.
Bazinga!!!
Posted on 9/21/15 at 2:12 pm to JuiceTerry
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When your players continually cannot execute your method, you need to adjust it. But when has Nick Saban ever attempted to make adjustments? He'll just keep harping on execution, and continue to get exposed.
I think tried to change or "freshen it up" when they brought in Greg Brown for a year as DB coach. Turned out to be a disaster, and Brown was the scapegoat. Brown does produce a lot of ballhawks, but his DBs get burnt a lot too.
I would say they had the same idea with Mel Tucker, but his origins start with Saban.
Not having a ballhawk at safety hurts too, seems Lester and Barron were the last ones to truly snag more than a couple. Both snagged 12 in 3 years of starting. That sounds almost impossible with what Bama has shown lately. HCD did well too, 7 in 2 years of starting. No one has really stepped up at the spot post HCD as far as turnovers are concerned.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 2:14 pm to Interweb Cowboy
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Seems like we never get our head turned around to find the ball so we can make a play on it. I know face guarding/playing the reciever is legal in college, is this what they are being coached to do or are they maybe not athletic enough to cover and turn and find the ball?
This question is asked alot, for the record, this is what Saban teaches.
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“Let me explain it to you this way: There’s two positions you can be in when you’re defending a receiver. You’re either ‘in-phase’ with him or you’re ‘out-of-phase’ with him. Now, . . . ‘in-phase’ means that you’re pretty much even with the guy [as he runs straight downfield], but if you can see the guy’s number nearest [to] you, you’re in-phase when you’re covering him down the field. So when he gets through the move area — the move area defined being 14 to 18 yards down the field where the guy’s going to break a route in or out — we play a lot of closed coverage, [i.e.] we’re in bump-and-run a lot; we’re in that position with the guy when he gets in the move area. Now, if you’re in-phase with him when he gets into the move area, you should be become the receiver and look for the ball. That’s what you should do, and then the ball has to go through you.
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“If you’re in the out-of phase position, which means you can’t see his near number, you can’t be even with him, then you have to play the guy’s eyes and hands for the ball because you’re not in position and if the quarterback throws it correctly [on a fade type pass] you’re not going to be able to get to the ball — you’re behind him too far.
Nick Saban on Playing Pass Coverage
Posted on 9/21/15 at 2:14 pm to JuiceTerry
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When your players continually cannot execute your method, you need to adjust it. But when has Nick Saban ever attempted to make adjustments? He'll just keep harping on execution, and continue to get exposed.
Exactly. I think we really really need to start using VR simulation to let him show exactly what he's talking about to the DB's. Let them see about 100 diff examples of a first person's perspective on what he's talking about.
The Cowboys using VR, if they implement it correctly, I bet you BIG bucks that will dramatically improve their player's mental preparedness. I wanna see us do that suuuuper bad
Posted on 9/21/15 at 2:26 pm to MagillaGuerilla
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Not having a ballhawk at safety hurts too, seems Lester and Barron were the last ones to truly snag more than a couple. Both snagged 12 in 3 years of starting. That sounds almost impossible with what Bama has shown lately. HCD did well too, 7 in 2 years of starting. No one has really stepped up at the spot post HCD as far as turnovers are concerned.
Yessir, I though Deionte Thompson was going to be the next guy for that role. Now he's buried with the receivers and barely gets mentioned.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 2:28 pm to ApeDeuce
In other words, our corners are out of phase 90% of the time. I doubt that's what he wants.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 2:33 pm to m2pro
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Exactly. I think we really really need to start using VR simulation to let him show exactly what he's talking about to the DB's. Let them see about 100 diff examples of a first person's perspective on what he's talking about.
The Cowboys using VR, if they implement it correctly, I bet you BIG bucks that will dramatically improve their player's mental preparedness. I wanna see us do that suuuuper bad
VR scares me, LOL
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It's very exciting," Auburn quarterback Jeremy Johnson said. "It's way better than watching film study. It's fun. It makes football more fun and really it just helps me read coverages and helps break down how the defense disguises their coverages." Auburn is one of six college teams to invest in the technology -- Stanford, Arkansas, Vanderbilt, Dartmouth and Clemson are the others -- and an additional SEC team is expected to jump on board soon. The goal is to improve reaction time for quarterbacks in a life-like environment without the risk of injury.
VR Troopers: Auburn institutes virtual reality training to improve quarterbacks
Posted on 9/21/15 at 2:41 pm to ApeDeuce
Yeah, we should probably pass on that.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 3:12 pm to MagillaGuerilla
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The DB is suppose to see that and make a play on the ball.
I don't think we are seeing "that".
Posted on 9/21/15 at 3:23 pm to JuiceTerry
no... we shouldn't pass! ohhhh damnit it sickens me auburn is gonna use this.
it's not confusing to watch or see or learn from. i've tried on some of the new wave VR stuff, and the dinky little freeware apps ALONE are shockingly well done.
if there is a complicated play, or a subtle thing to learn, if we can let them see it in real time without the potential of getting hurt in the mean time... run them through it. make it a memory based reaction instead of a guy constantly "thinking" while he's trying to defend.
it's not confusing to watch or see or learn from. i've tried on some of the new wave VR stuff, and the dinky little freeware apps ALONE are shockingly well done.
if there is a complicated play, or a subtle thing to learn, if we can let them see it in real time without the potential of getting hurt in the mean time... run them through it. make it a memory based reaction instead of a guy constantly "thinking" while he's trying to defend.
This post was edited on 9/21/15 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 9/21/15 at 7:34 pm to ApeDeuce
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This question is asked alot, for the record, this is what Saban teaches.
Thanks for posting this and the link. I was trying to find the link until I saw you posted it.
Saban does teach watch the eyes but only when you are out of phase with wr.
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