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Posted on 12/1/15 at 11:24 am to OldPete
Posted on 12/1/15 at 11:24 am to OldPete
This is the thing I hate about the playoff, more and more teams now can make the argument that they should get a shot at the NC. It's the thing that's going to result in the playoff being expanded over and over until college football is unrecognizable.
Clemson and Iowa, provided both win on Saturday, are the only 2 teams that can legitimately say they did everything asked of them and to leave them out would be a crime.
With the next 3 teams (Bama, OU, Ohio State), you can twist the facts every which way to make an argument for or against. 2 of them will make it, and 1 will get left out. The team that gets left out will feel they got jobbed but the reality is all 3 lost a game. When you lose you open yourself up to relying on other things to help get you in. Sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesn't. But none of those 3 teams can really say they "deserve" a shot.
Clemson and Iowa, provided both win on Saturday, are the only 2 teams that can legitimately say they did everything asked of them and to leave them out would be a crime.
With the next 3 teams (Bama, OU, Ohio State), you can twist the facts every which way to make an argument for or against. 2 of them will make it, and 1 will get left out. The team that gets left out will feel they got jobbed but the reality is all 3 lost a game. When you lose you open yourself up to relying on other things to help get you in. Sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesn't. But none of those 3 teams can really say they "deserve" a shot.
This post was edited on 12/1/15 at 11:35 am
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Posted on 12/1/15 at 11:35 am to Draconian Sanctions
quote:Yes, Alabama could unquestionably say they deserve to be in over Ohio State
But none of those 3 teams can really say they "deserve" a shot.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 11:36 am to ReauxlTide222
Well you're an Alabama fan. I'm sure Ohio State fans would say the opposite.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 11:44 am to Draconian Sanctions
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I'm sure Ohio State fans would say the opposite.
They could, but their argument would be weak sauce compared to ours and Oklahoma's.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 12:01 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Amazing how things change in one damn week.
Just last week, OSU (even their fans) were saying how they didn't deserve it, were overrated, blah blah.
They beat a sub-par Michigan team whose only impressive wins are in conference and all of a sudden they are world beaters again.
Forget the fact their entire schedule was crap beside their last two opponents.
Just last week, OSU (even their fans) were saying how they didn't deserve it, were overrated, blah blah.
They beat a sub-par Michigan team whose only impressive wins are in conference and all of a sudden they are world beaters again.
Forget the fact their entire schedule was crap beside their last two opponents.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 12:07 pm to YStar
Again I don't really have any sympathy for the 3rd or 4th teams unless they are undefeated conference champs.
Clemson and Iowa are the only 2 that "deserve" to get in as of now.
Clemson and Iowa are the only 2 that "deserve" to get in as of now.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 12:09 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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This is the thing I hate about the playoff, more and more teams now can make the argument that they should get a shot at the NC. It's the thing that's going to result in the playoff being expanded over and over until college football is unrecognizable.
I agree...I could see maybe expanding to 8 teams, but anything beyond that, would be overkill...
My play-off scenario: Only conference champions get in the play-off...and each conference must have a championship game. The Power 5 conference champs get an automatic bid to the play-off...the other 3 slots are filled in by the highest ranked non-Power 5 conference champs and seed each participant (1 plays 8, 2 plays 7, 3 plays 6, 4 plays 5). To accommodate for the extra game, knock one game off the schedule for an 11 game regular season. Play the first round 2 weeks before New Years, the semis around New Year's Day, and the final a week to 10 days after.
Notre Dame would have to join a conference and there would be no whining 'bout teams deserving a shot since everything would be cut and dry. Should also lead to more interesting regular season games since style points and going undefeated wouldn't be a pre-requisite...
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But none of those 3 teams can really say they "deserve" a shot.
I'd usually agree with you since they all lost, but since the committee has attached such importance to conference championships, OU and Bama (providing we beat UF) would clearly get in ahead of OSU...however, if Bama and/or Clemson get beat, Katie bar the door, it could get real ugly...
Posted on 12/1/15 at 12:19 pm to OldPete
it would be extremely surprising if Bama won and didn't get it. The point is really with the mentality of the teams just below the top 2 or 3, all of whom think it would be a crime if they got left out, looking at that #4 spot the same way the 69th basketball team looks at the 68th spot. My contention is that if you didn't do all you could do and are relying on a committee to choose you over teams with similarish resumes, then you don't really "deserve" to be there. If you get there then great, go and win the thing but the mentality I'm talking about is what is going to cause the playoff to expanded over and over again, which is what I don't want to see.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 12:49 pm to Draconian Sanctions
I see your point. But on matter if it is a 2 team BCSNC, or an 8 team playoff, there will always be teams that might not "deserve" to get in, look at us in 2011, and LSU in 2007. but what other way would be better?
Posted on 12/1/15 at 12:54 pm to Funky Tide 8
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But on matter if it is a 2 team BCSNC, or an 8 team playoff, there will always be teams that might not "deserve" to get in
Sure and when the chips fall your way go and cash em in. No apologies needed. Again I'm just very nervous that now that we've opened the playoff Pandora's box that 4 will go to 8, 8 will go to 12, 12 will go to 16 and on and on and on. The main driver of this will be the teams that feel like they get jobbed because they didn't get that 4th spot. In the BCS era you actually once did a have a team legitimately do all it could and be left out anyway in 2004 Auburn and I was in favor of going to 4 in order to prevent that from ever happening again. But I don't have any sympathy for the 5th team, be it Ohio State, Oklahoma, or Alabama under this years scenario. 2 of you will get in and good for them but whoever gets left out has no cause to complain IMO and none of you can really and truly say you "deserve" to be in at this point, either.
This post was edited on 12/1/15 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 12/1/15 at 1:08 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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The main driver of this will be the teams that feel like they get jobbed because they didn't get that 4th spot.
See, I felt like there would be a big stink last year with the two big 12 teams being left out in favor of a one loss OSU, but there really wasn't.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 1:21 am to OldPete
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The Power 5 conference champs get an automatic bid to the play-off...the other 3 slots are filled in by the highest ranked non-Power 5 conference champs and seed each participant
Using the current Sagarin SOS, that playoff would look like this (assuming all the favorites win this Saturday)
1 Clemson (47) vs 8 Western Kentucky (108)
2 Alabama (5) vs 7 Bowling Green (83)
3 Oklahoma (20) vs 6 Houston (95)
4 Michigan State (53) vs 5 Stanford (16)
Why on EARTH should a team with a #108 SOS get a playoff spot over a team like Baylor (58), TCU (36), Notre Dame (19), etc. simply because they won a terrible conference?
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:00 am to BamaDude06
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Why on EARTH should a team with a #108 SOS get a playoff spot over a team like Baylor (58), TCU (36), Notre Dame (19), etc. simply because they won a terrible conference?
First off, if you read above, Notre Dame would have to join a conference to be considered. Secondly, talkin' strength of schedule, Baylor wouldn't have much of an argument in my eyes just because of their OOC schedule. Thirdly, Baylor and TCU both had their chances but they lost to Oklahoma. Last, although early upsets would be rare, no one thought Boise State had a chance against Oklahoma years ago in the Fiesta Bowl, nor Utah against Bama in the Sugar Bowl...and I can almost guarantee neither of those teams' SOS was equal to the teams they beat in those bowl games...
No system is gonna be perfect. In my system, if a team wants to get in, they'll have their chance by winning their conference. You'd probably have much better OOC games scheduled as teams would be more focused on playing good teams so they could get better, as opposed to scheduling cupcakes to pad their wins. It'd make both the regular season and conference championships more meaningful. I know we got a mulligan with LSU a couple of years ago (and I'm glad we did) but, if the situation had been reversed, I would've been miffed. Non-Power 5 schools have always said they never get a fair shake and now they would...
That being said, you don't have anything to worry 'bout as there's absolutely no chance that "my" system will ever be adopted by the NCAA...
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