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Coaches mull rules tweaks on signing day, bowls

Posted on 1/11/23 at 4:35 am
Posted by TidalSurge1
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 4:35 am
FBS coaches mull rules changes on signing day, bowl eligibility (espn)
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CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- A strong consensus of FBS coaches signaled support for several key rules changes in college football as the 2023 American Football Coaches Association conference wrapped Tuesday, with the potential for an earlier signing day, extended bowl eligibility and a reevaluation of limits on on-field coaches.

AFCA executive director Todd Berry said Tuesday's meetings, which included about 40 FBS head coaches, largely centered on frustrations that schools playing by the rules on issues including tampering, sideline headset use and on-field contact for support staff were being hamstrung, while those who flouted the guidelines endured no serious repercussions.

"If we can't enforce something or we won't enforce something, then we probably don't even need to have a discussion about the rules. For a long time, our coaches have been frustrated that we put in rules constantly ... and what ends up happening is the only ones who end up getting penalized are the ones doing the right thing. A lot of things we look at right now as coaches, whether it be the transfer portal, NIL -- who's governing this thing right now is in question, and who's going to enforce what's out there? We all see and hear all these things that -- a lot of them are scary and most of them are true."

Tampering remained arguably the biggest hot-button issue for coaches, with Berry saying FBS coaches are nearly unanimous in believing there should be far more severe punishment for schools caught enticing athletes from other teams not yet in the transfer portal, including potential lifetime bans. The problem, however, is that proving tampering remains a nearly impossible task.

"With tampering, with analysts coaching -- you can't enforce it," Wake Forest coach Dave Clawson said. "And if you can't enforce it, why have it?"

Berry also said there was energy behind adjusting the early signing period, possibly by as little as a week or two, but potentially eliminating the early signing period or moving it to the summer.

SEC commissioner Greg Sankey noted his concerns with the existing signing day structure earlier this week, lamenting that the December signing day overlapped with the transfer portal and bowl prep to create an unworkable logjam that impacted team's seasons. Sankey has advocated returning to a single signing date in early February, which college football had for years before introducing the December date.

"It'd be nice if the signing date was earlier and the portal [window] was right after that, instead of the chaos of doing both these things at the same time" Berry said. "... It's so chaotic right now, where everyone's pulling their hair out, including the student-athletes."

Berry suggested the Monday after Thanksgiving or the first Wednesday in December as potential options and noted some coaches would like to move the signing day even earlier -- possibly to the summer -- but said that could create an issue with players changing their minds after the season. NC State coach Dave Doeren was among several coaches in favor of an open signing period -- letting high school players sign at any time, so long as the school stayed under its cap of 85 scholarships.

One thing a change to an earlier signing day likely wouldn't affect, Berry said, is the recent trend of head coaches being fired midseason. Berry said the rush to make coaching changes isn't a result of placating high school recruiting classes, but rather the transfer portal.

The larger issues of NIL and the portal remain points of contention, and Tuesday's meeting offered little in the way of solutions.

Those frustrations, Berry said, have largely been predictable, but the solutions remain difficult to find because of a strong disagreement about the vision for college athletics.

"There's no question that NIL, the transfer portal -- anybody who's surprised by this was being very naive, because conceptually this was going to end up a pay-for-play," Berry said. "You've turned this into a professional model, and I'd still like to keep it an academic model. Maybe those worlds are going to collide. The moment all this stuff happened it was bound to collide. You can't have both. I'd like to protect the academic model."
Posted by Robot Santa
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 7:02 am to
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"There's no question that NIL, the transfer portal -- anybody who's surprised by this was being very naive, because conceptually this was going to end up a pay-for-play," Berry said. "You've turned this into a professional model, and I'd still like to keep it an academic model. Maybe those worlds are going to collide. The moment all this stuff happened it was bound to collide. You can't have both. I'd like to protect the academic model."



It's not a professional sports model though. That's sort of the problem. A professional model would include things like formal contracts binding both parties, tampering rules, and a CBA between the athletes and the NCAA that includes competitive balance measures like a salary cap, results based scheduling, the ability to trade players, and holding a draft in lieu of recruiting.

College athletes are going to be deemed school employees in the not very distant future. Then there won't be eligibility requirements, they won't have to go to class anymore, and you'll end up with a bunch of dudes in their late 20s playing "college" football and basketball because they can get more money in NIL deals than they can on an NFL practice squad or second tier European league.
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Posted by TomRollTideRitter
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 7:44 am to
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Berry suggested the Monday after Thanksgiving or the first Wednesday in December as potential options and noted some coaches would like to move the signing day even earlier


Having coaches prepare for signing day mid rivalry week sounds like a terrible idea.

I think the full season should be a recruiting dead period. Let the coaches focus on their current teams in season. You’d see a better product across the board.
Posted by Carlton
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 8:32 am to
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"It'd be nice if the signing date was earlier and the portal [window] was right after that, instead of the chaos of doing both these things at the same time" Berry said. "... It's so chaotic right now, where everyone's pulling their hair out, including the student-athletes."

Berry suggested the Monday after Thanksgiving or the first Wednesday in December as potential options and noted some coaches would like to move the signing day even earlier -- possibly to the summer -- but said that could create an issue with players changing their minds after the season.


Some of these guys really want to give these prospects as little time as possible to make a decision. How about March junior year as the deadline I guess at this point it doesn't matter since you can portal at any time and seemingly as many times as you want with no sit out. It would be hilarious if you have signed players who haven't even gotten to campus "portalling" multiple times. With that being said 24 of our 28 commits will be on campus now or in the next week or so, so tons of guys are basically skipping their senior year of high school so whatever.
Posted by FairhopeTider
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 9:48 am to
My issue with this stuff is they pass rules yet never think about the unintended consequences. It just seems so arbitrary and then 2-3 years later we’re down the road wondering how to clean up a certain mess.
Posted by Carlton
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 11:59 am to
Once the NCAA lost their lawsuit (and probably before, since they knew they would lose) the goal is to turn college football into NFL lite. These consequences are not unintended, they are part of the plan.
This post was edited on 1/11/23 at 12:12 pm
Posted by FairhopeTider
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Member since May 2012
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 12:30 pm to
I’m talking more about things like Early Signing Day. They pass a rule that sounds good in theory but isn’t good in practice.

NIL is done. You can’t put that toothpaste back in the tube. The transfer portal mess can still be salvaged.
Posted by slammer66
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 12:37 pm to
The latest season should be scary. We are barely into NIL and we realistically saw Alabama, Tennessee (before the QB injury) Ohio State & Georgia as teams that could win it all. After that I feel like the rest of college weren't even close. Michigan seemed to be but there is no excusing the loss to TCU. I could see a situation down the road where you might have 2 SEC teams, and possibly Ohio State, or Clemson switching up championships every year. The NFL uses the salary cap and the draft to maintain a competitive balance. they do that so the product can sell. College football wont survive if it's always one of 4 teams winning it all. So how long before they force a high school draft. and will Vanderbilt one day be in the Natty
Posted by TidalSurge1
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 12:45 pm to
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Once the NCAA lost their lawsuit (and probably before, since they knew they would lose) the goal is to turn college football into NFL lite. These consequences are not unintended, they are part of the plan.

Bingo.
Posted by labamafan
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 12:51 pm to
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Some of these guys really want to give these prospects as little time as possible to make a decision. How about March junior year as the deadline I guess at this point it doesn't matter since you can portal at any time and seemingly as many times as you want with no sit out


Correct. The transfer portal eliminates that concern. Besides high profile players will likely wait until signing day with the early signing period moved up to summer. This will at least get the kids out of the way that are committed to that school and not that coach.
Posted by AbSnopes
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:21 pm to
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the NCAA lost their lawsuit (and probably before, since they knew they would lose) the goal is to turn college football into NFL lite


True, but if college is “NFL lite” college needs to institute contracts for players with rookie vs veteran pay scales, salary caps for teams, trade deadlines etc. It is out of control now with no one in charge and nobody having to follow rules.
Posted by Carlton
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:28 pm to
By the time this is all over the connection of the athletic programs to the Colleges and Universities will likely just be in name.
Posted by Carlton
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:31 pm to
My opinion is the current chaos based on what is being implemented now is intentional so that whatever governing body takes the place of the NCAA can be as heavy handed with the players as possible. They want to say we have to be really tough on this because look how crazy it gets when we don't regulate.
Posted by RollTide66
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 5:10 pm to
Coach warned EVERYONE this crap and now that its happening they all be crying
Posted by TidalSurge1
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Posted on 1/12/23 at 7:41 am to
NCAA Council limits second-time transfer eligibility (CBS)


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The NCAA Division I Council approved legislation on Wednesday to limit waivers for second-time transfers. Now, undergraduate players who transfer will have specific guidelines they must meet in order to be eligible for immediate playing time starting with the 2023-24 season or risk sitting out a year in between transfers. 

First, a player can receive immediate eligibility if they have a physical injury or mental health condition that pushed them to transfer from a school. Additionally, the NCAA will consider "exigent circumstances" that could force a player to leave an institution -- like sexual assault or abuse. No other factors will be considered, including academic considerations or playing time. 

The new rules are an attempt to rein in the number of players using transfer portal, which has exploded since it launched four years ago. Nearly 2,000 players in FBS alone entered the portal in the first transfer window following the 2022 regular season. At least 120 quarterbacks alone have entered the portal, including a handful that were expected to enter the 2023 NFL Draft and opted for new starts at the college level instead. 

Notably, Rice quarterback JT Daniels just landed at his fourth institution after leaving West Virginia. He played at USC from 2018-19 and Georgia from 2020-21 before starting for the Mountaineers in 2022. With these rules, Daniels would need to graduate in between each of his final two transfers or sit out and risk burning a year of eligibility. 

The new NCAA rule only applies to undergraduate transfers. Players who graduate will still be eligible to play immediately at their next stops.
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