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Can someone explain to me how you guys wound up without a stellar QB?
Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:40 am
Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:40 am
Honest question. I've read ad nausea about how bad the QB play has been, but I really haven't heard how this happened. You guys have had stellar QBs for an eternity. It's a given: almost an unwritten law. How did someone NOT recognize this and not address it. Your coaches over the last couple of years had to know that Milroe had limitations right???? As a Bama fan second only to UGA I hate to see this, and I have a hard time understanding how exactly it happened. I guess in hindsight I could ask the same for the OL. BTW I'm thinking and hoping you win Sat. I believe Your D vs OMs OL > OMs D vs your OL and that's gonna be the determining factor. 
This post was edited on 9/21/23 at 8:45 am
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Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:45 am to SemperFiDawg
I'm not sure where you are going with this. Simpson can still turn out to be very good qb, Longeran and then Sayin coming in next year.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:49 am to SemperFiDawg
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Can someone explain to me how you guys wound up without a stellar QB?
Sometimes recruiting rankings don't equal on the field success.
Not trying to be a dick, but why did it take a walk-on QB to finally land Georgia a national championship?
You have landed just as many 5-star QBs as we have over the last 20 years, maybe even more.
This post was edited on 9/21/23 at 8:50 am
Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:52 am to TideSaint
How did UGA let Justin Fields leave and have to wait for a walk on to bring them their first national title in 40 years?
Get outta here troll.
Get outta here troll.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:54 am to SemperFiDawg
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Your coaches over the last couple of years had to know that Milroe had limitations right????
Sometimes guys don't develop how you anticipate.
As an UGA fan, you should be familiar with the concept of highly-rated QBs failing to develop into productive collegiate players.
This post was edited on 9/21/23 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:56 am to SemperFiDawg
Every player is different.
Development differs and so does when the light finally comes on and play slows down
Development differs and so does when the light finally comes on and play slows down
Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:02 am to YStar
UGA hasn't had a stellar QB in a generation. The only QB to start an NFL game from UGA in the last 20 years has been Matt Stafford. Bama had 4 *last week*, and 3 of those have been Pro Bowlers.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:12 am to JIB
QB evaluation is a hit or miss affair. Great QB's are also rare. It's also a known fact that if a QB isn't protected they can't operate. I've seen a host of hall of fame QB's look like XFL garbage QB's when people were hitting them in the back.
I do think signing Milro was questionable. Todays game is fast paced and requires someone who can deliver fast to the right guy. I doubt he showed any of that. but coaches get obsessed with a QB who can run, they all dream of the next Cam Newton. It's possible there will be other Cam Newton's out there but between now and then there will be 20 1st round draft pick QB's who just deliver the ball quickly where it needs to go. I would never sign players that didn't fit that mold. if they happen to ALSO have mobililty that's great. probably helps them extend a play.
On top of that when Alabama has a bunch of 1st round players at a position, we really can't sign top talent. Eventually those guys leave for the NFL and we are left with those guys. All the top guys see that we have no talent at that position and they sign with us. Our best QB by far is on the scout team.
I do think signing Milro was questionable. Todays game is fast paced and requires someone who can deliver fast to the right guy. I doubt he showed any of that. but coaches get obsessed with a QB who can run, they all dream of the next Cam Newton. It's possible there will be other Cam Newton's out there but between now and then there will be 20 1st round draft pick QB's who just deliver the ball quickly where it needs to go. I would never sign players that didn't fit that mold. if they happen to ALSO have mobililty that's great. probably helps them extend a play.
On top of that when Alabama has a bunch of 1st round players at a position, we really can't sign top talent. Eventually those guys leave for the NFL and we are left with those guys. All the top guys see that we have no talent at that position and they sign with us. Our best QB by far is on the scout team.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:15 am to SemperFiDawg
I think Simpson and/or the freshmen behind him could turn out to be good. However, they need the offensive line to be good, too. I have no answer for why the offensive line is so bad, other than perhaps it has to do with the change in philosophy in the strength and conditioning program. I also don’t think we’ve had a great offensive line coach since Kyle Flood went to Texas with Sark after 2020.
Milroe just hasn’t developed as a passer for whatever reason. Perhaps it was difficult for him to do so with O’Brien as OC and while being behind Bryce.
Buchner just sucks and should never have been brought in.
Milroe just hasn’t developed as a passer for whatever reason. Perhaps it was difficult for him to do so with O’Brien as OC and while being behind Bryce.
Buchner just sucks and should never have been brought in.
This post was edited on 9/21/23 at 9:27 am
Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:16 am to SemperFiDawg
It’s a two part answer:
- Simpson & Milroe are “off schedule” on their development. Blame misevaluations, poor offensive coaching, or even just bad luck & overdue for poor QB play.
- We don’t currently have the playmakers that we’ve had in the past that help mitigate poor QB play. There’s no Heisman caliber RB, WR, or a defense full of first rounders that take the pressure off having a playmaker at QB. Think Blake Sims & Amari Cooper, Coker & Derrick Henry, Hurts & the 2016/2017 defense.
Truth be told, we should have made it the highest priority last Fall to start looking for the best transfer QB available. It wasn’t hard to see that we could be in this position.
- Simpson & Milroe are “off schedule” on their development. Blame misevaluations, poor offensive coaching, or even just bad luck & overdue for poor QB play.
- We don’t currently have the playmakers that we’ve had in the past that help mitigate poor QB play. There’s no Heisman caliber RB, WR, or a defense full of first rounders that take the pressure off having a playmaker at QB. Think Blake Sims & Amari Cooper, Coker & Derrick Henry, Hurts & the 2016/2017 defense.
Truth be told, we should have made it the highest priority last Fall to start looking for the best transfer QB available. It wasn’t hard to see that we could be in this position.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:20 am to FairhopeTider
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- We don’t currently have the playmakers that we’ve had in the past that help mitigate poor QB play. There’s no Heisman caliber RB, WR, or a defense full of first rounders that take the pressure off having a playmaker at QB. Think Blake Sims & Amari Cooper, Coker & Derrick Henry, Hurts & the 2016/2017 defense.
This is a good point, too. Even when we haven’t had elite QBs like Bryce, Mac and Tua, the QBs we had like Sims and Coker had some great skill position players around them to help them out. As mentioned above, Sims had Amari Cooper. Coker had Heisman season Derrick Henry, Calvin Ridley and OJ Howard. Right now, we have some decent receivers, but no one who we can rely on as an every play threat to score. Same thing at running back.
This post was edited on 9/21/23 at 9:21 am
Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:25 am to SemperFiDawg
All the QBs other than Buchner were pretty highly ranked out of high school and none had any game experience until last week. My own opinion is that BOB had no ability or interest in developing a QB and we played Bryce hard to keep his stat lines up which also helped over the OL decline. I've said more than once that I think Saban was counting on one last NC with Bryce and may have lost emphasis on development all around. Now it feels like we are just holding the line until Sayin gets on campus but that is just insane to me. Even if he is Bryce 2.0 that puts us 3 years out from seeing him playing. We need another QB whisperer ASAP.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:35 am to SemperFiDawg
Not knocking you personally SemperFiDawg or your post, but does anyone else find it unusual the amount of UGA posters that post on the Alabama board?
Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:39 am to SemperFiDawg
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Can someone explain to me how you guys wound up without a stellar QB?
We didn't have stellar QBs until Kiffin came along. And you don't have to have the highest ranked QB. Look at what Kiffin did with Blake Sims and Jake Coker, and look at what Sarkisian did with Mac Jones.
I'd give my left nut to have the Jake Coker that beat Georgia, Auburn, and Clemson starting Saturday.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:41 am to SemperFiDawg
Even Pete Carroll stumbled at qb when he was at USC. Kids want playing time, and not many will sit on the bench in the NIL era.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:51 am to BamaGradinTn
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Can someone explain to me how you guys wound up without a stellar QB?
We didn't have stellar QBs until Kiffin came along. And you don't have to have the highest ranked QB. Look at what Kiffin did with Blake Sims and Jake Coker, and look at what Sarkisian did with Mac Jones.
I'd give my left nut to have the Jake Coker that beat Georgia, Auburn, and Clemson starting Saturday.
AJ was pretty dang good. Especially in his last two years at the university. He was labeled as a game manager, but he could absolutely win you games. Started some games in the NFL and made a boat load of money as a back up. God know I would certainly take a clone of him right now.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:56 am to cdur86
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Not knocking you personally SemperFiDawg or your post, but does anyone else find it unusual the amount of UGA posters that post on the Alabama board?
I can't imagine caring enough about another team to waste my time posting on their fricking message board.
This post was edited on 9/21/23 at 10:10 am
Posted on 9/21/23 at 10:08 am to Sl0thstronautEsq
What is being ignored is that Saban had a great run of hiring OCs who could actually develop out QB talent.
It's why a 3* Mac Jones turned into a Heisman finalist.
That run ended when he hired that bum Bill O'Brien who basically didn't develop any of our QBs including Bryce who has the same when he was drafted as the player when Sark left.
You can't keep a year of development.... talk much multiple years and not expect a significant drop is the quality in a position.
Just look at our offensive line... we're still trying to recover.
This is why I hammered about Bill O'Brien for those years. We are reaping what he has sown. Our hopes now is that Rees can prove he can adapt, be creative and actually develop QBs but look at Buchner... that is HIS guy who he brought from Notre Dame.
Buchner is shite.
It's why a 3* Mac Jones turned into a Heisman finalist.
That run ended when he hired that bum Bill O'Brien who basically didn't develop any of our QBs including Bryce who has the same when he was drafted as the player when Sark left.
You can't keep a year of development.... talk much multiple years and not expect a significant drop is the quality in a position.
Just look at our offensive line... we're still trying to recover.
This is why I hammered about Bill O'Brien for those years. We are reaping what he has sown. Our hopes now is that Rees can prove he can adapt, be creative and actually develop QBs but look at Buchner... that is HIS guy who he brought from Notre Dame.
Buchner is shite.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 10:18 am to YStar
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It's why a 3* Mac Jones turned into a Heisman finalist.
And Dan Enos...he wasn't the OC, but he took the Jalen Hurts who couldn't throw a decent pass to save his life against Georgia in the NC, but a year later had him throwing the ball all over the yard to come back and beat the same team in the SECCG. Dan Enos is who started Jalen Hurts on the road to where he is today.
This post was edited on 9/21/23 at 10:23 am
Posted on 9/21/23 at 10:37 am to SemperFiDawg
The better question is knowing how bad the QB roster was, why did Saban hire a subpar OC/QB coach who is as skilled at developing quarterbacks as I am at speaking mandarin?
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