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Posted on 4/18/14 at 10:56 pm
Posted on 4/18/14 at 10:56 pm
"As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clear headed science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about atoms this much: There is no matter as such. All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix of all matter."
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
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Posted on 4/18/14 at 11:06 pm to beejon
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Thoughts
I think people who believe will be edified by the quote.
I think atheists and agnostics will find a way to tell you its wrong.
I am still figuring out faith and its place in my life. Most quantum physics and cosmology tends to open me more to the idea of other dimensions, unseen beings, and intelligent design, which lends itself to some form of faith.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 11:08 pm to wmr
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I am still figuring out faith and its place in my life. Most quantum physics and cosmology tends to open me more to the idea of other dimensions, unseen beings, and intelligent design, which lends itself to some form of faith.
Great insight. Some wish to stay as they are, others wish to expand their consciousness of existence.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 11:23 pm to beejon
Other quotes from Planck:
"I do not believe in a personal God, let alone a Christian God."
"The Christian concept of God is an insult to human dignity."
"Though I surely acknowledge a higher power, I see no reason whatsoever to expect that he concerns himself with the day to day musings of simple creatures such as us."
Planck was a deist and fairly critical of the christian concept of God.
"I do not believe in a personal God, let alone a Christian God."
"The Christian concept of God is an insult to human dignity."
"Though I surely acknowledge a higher power, I see no reason whatsoever to expect that he concerns himself with the day to day musings of simple creatures such as us."
Planck was a deist and fairly critical of the christian concept of God.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 11:25 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Planck was a deist and fairly critical of the christian concept of God.
No doubt. But he wasn't an atheist.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 11:28 pm to beejon
Actually now we know that we don't know that much
Posted on 4/18/14 at 11:32 pm to beejon
Understood, but you are a christian who is currently using his stance on theism to defend your belief in a specific version of theism he disagreed with.
My question is, if you arent willing to trust him on the issue of christianity why do you believe he is any more correct with regards to his belief in creation? You pick one aspect of his belief and then ignore the rest of it. The two beliefs are connected, and I assert that you cannot in good conscience accept his premise of a creator but then turn around and say how wrong he was about the specifics.
My question is, if you arent willing to trust him on the issue of christianity why do you believe he is any more correct with regards to his belief in creation? You pick one aspect of his belief and then ignore the rest of it. The two beliefs are connected, and I assert that you cannot in good conscience accept his premise of a creator but then turn around and say how wrong he was about the specifics.
This post was edited on 4/18/14 at 11:34 pm
Posted on 4/18/14 at 11:37 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Understood, but you are a christian who is currently using his stance on theism to defend your belief in a specific version of theism he disagreed with.
My question is, if you arent willing to trust him on the issue of christianity why do you believe he is any more correct with regards to his belief in creation? You pick one aspect of his belief and then ignore the rest of it. The two beliefs are connected, and I assert that you cannot in good conscience accept his premise of a creator but then turn around and say how wrong he was about the specifics.
Actually, I have the view that creation is the result of an intelligence, as did Planck. His theological view isn't important to that particular view.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 12:05 am to beejon
It is, because you are trying to use his perceived intellect to give credibility to the idea of creator while simultaneously personally rejecting his thoughts on which creator is worthy of intellectual assent.
So he's smart enough to figure out that a creator must exist but not QUITE smart enough to figure out which one. Strange reasoning. If it were me, I just wouldn't trust any of his theological ideas.
So he's smart enough to figure out that a creator must exist but not QUITE smart enough to figure out which one. Strange reasoning. If it were me, I just wouldn't trust any of his theological ideas.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 12:08 am to Roger Klarvin
Planck also said he didn't believe in a personal God. He view was closer to God is nature.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 12:13 am to MIZ_COU
Planck also lived in Germany during World War Two and was therefore complicit in the Holocaust/ a Nazi.
This post was edited on 4/19/14 at 12:14 am
Posted on 4/19/14 at 12:13 am to MIZ_COU
He was a deist by his own admission. He believed in a god involved in creation in some capacity but who didn't involve himself in or care about human affairs.
It's a position that actually makes more sense than conventional theism, given that there are some decent philosophical arguments for a creator but extensive evidence in nature against a God that involves himself in our affairs.
It's a position that actually makes more sense than conventional theism, given that there are some decent philosophical arguments for a creator but extensive evidence in nature against a God that involves himself in our affairs.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 12:18 am to Roger Klarvin
quote:It was when pressed on that that he said he didn't believe in a personal God. He's actually kind of vague and there is an intelligence to the universe is just as good a way of phrasing it.
He was a deist by his own admission.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 12:25 am to KSGamecock
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Planck also lived in Germany during World War Two and was therefore complicit in the Holocaust/ a Nazi.
Another student of history on tRant.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 12:58 am to the808bass
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Planck also lived in Germany during World War Two and was therefore complicit in the Holocaust/ a Nazi.
Another student of history on tRant.
He was clearly being serious.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 1:42 am to the808bass
Planck's anti-theism fed directly into the kind of moral vacuum that allowed the Nazis' evil to flourish. They loved that godless shite and that's why they so readily took to Nietzche.
His willingness to stay in the country despite the mistreatment of his Jewish "friends" (he only made that claim after the war to make him appear less evil) shows at the very least his cowardice and at most a veiled depravity. Read Daniel Goldhagen's Hitler's Willing Executioners and it will become clear that virtually every German was complicit in the atrocity as they suffered from a virulent eliminationist antisemitism present in their collective consciousness for centuries going back at least to the crusades.
This guilt applies not only to German citizens at the time but to their descendants, relatives and the bearers of their culture. It is an inherit defect ingrained in all of them. I think both Goldhagen and I would argue that not only was Planck a dirty Nazi but so were Eisenhower, Nimitz and Spaatz. Nazis or Nazi-fellow travelers.
Anything else is revisionism and Nazi apologia and its arguers are also Nazis.
TL/DR: Planck was a Nazi. Disagree and you are a Nazi.
His willingness to stay in the country despite the mistreatment of his Jewish "friends" (he only made that claim after the war to make him appear less evil) shows at the very least his cowardice and at most a veiled depravity. Read Daniel Goldhagen's Hitler's Willing Executioners and it will become clear that virtually every German was complicit in the atrocity as they suffered from a virulent eliminationist antisemitism present in their collective consciousness for centuries going back at least to the crusades.
This guilt applies not only to German citizens at the time but to their descendants, relatives and the bearers of their culture. It is an inherit defect ingrained in all of them. I think both Goldhagen and I would argue that not only was Planck a dirty Nazi but so were Eisenhower, Nimitz and Spaatz. Nazis or Nazi-fellow travelers.
Anything else is revisionism and Nazi apologia and its arguers are also Nazis.
TL/DR: Planck was a Nazi. Disagree and you are a Nazi.
This post was edited on 4/19/14 at 1:47 am
Posted on 4/19/14 at 2:38 am to KSGamecock
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They loved that godless shite
80% of the German population was Christian in 1940 and Hitler had outspoken atheists executed
Tyrants gonna tyrant, God or no God. People will always find a way to justify their actions. Blaming religion or atheism for genocide ignores human nature.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 2:42 am to beejon
Don't care about Planck.
Imma set the O/U for this thread at 6.5 pages, though, I can tell you that right now.
Imma set the O/U for this thread at 6.5 pages, though, I can tell you that right now.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 7:26 am to beejon
... to a great extent, the mass of an atom is simply the sum of the masses of its constituent protons, neutrons and electrons. However, digging deeper, the protons and neutrons are made up of quarks bound together by gluon fields (see dynamics of quantum chromodynamics) and these gluons fields contribute significantly to the mass of hadrons.[24] In other words, most of what composes the "mass" of ordinary matter is due to the binding energy of quarks within protons and neutrons.[25] For example, the sum of the mass of the three quarks in a nucleon is approximately 12.5 MeV/c2, which is low compared to the mass of a nucleon (approximately 938 MeV/c2).[21][26] The bottom line is that most of the mass of everyday objects comes from the interaction energy of its elementary components.
wikipedia
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Posted on 4/19/14 at 7:33 am to TbirdSpur2010
quote:Science was mentioned. I'll say 4
Imma set the O/U for this thread at 6.5 pages, though, I can tell you that right now.
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