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We got beat in the film room. We ran plays based on their looks rather than our strengths.

Posted on 10/14/18 at 4:21 pm
Posted by FlexDawg
Member since Jan 2018
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Posted on 10/14/18 at 4:21 pm
Read a comment on reddit from a user that made a lot of sense. So it seems that our coaching “trying to outsmart” LSU lost us the game. Less blame should be on the players and put mostly on the coaches.

“Not an expert, but I waste a lot of time reading/watching about modern college offenses. Playcalling, for better or for worse, has developed into a completely reactive game of cat and mouse. Gone are the days where anyone commits to running or passing 100% on any given play, instead having a package of 3 to 10 plays ready to use depending on what the sideline and then quarterback sees from a defense. Aranda at LSU is the real talent on that staff (Coach O...meh), and beat Kirby et al in the chess match. He showed packages that looked as if they were oriented to stop the run and put man coverage on receivers, when in fact he would drop back in split zone/man stuff. This was, IMO, the thing that made everyone think Fromm was trash. The routes you call for man vs those you call for zone have different soft spots, which is why we saw receivers open up after Fromm worked through his progressions (Godwin in the endzone early comes to mind). Having said that, the pass protection is also different, as are the run option calls (inside vs outside zones and variations).

Again, I’m not an expert and someone who is, I would love you to correct me on all of this. Going a step further, I think this was lost in the film room. Chaney wasn’t prepared for the packages coming in and didn’t make the adjustments. I was firmly convinced our receivers could block their secondary and we would run wide to try and wear their, depth-wise, already the line down for ease of run in the second half. We abandoned that approach due to the looks we got and didn’t play “our brand of football” which is pure marketing, but still. I think this game illustrates the failings of modern offense, which in my purely uninformed opinion, leans far too heavy on working with what you’re given instead of leaning into your strengths. You have talented playmakers in the backfield? Give them the ball SOME WAY and let them make plays half the time, and in the other half find ways to get those talented receivers get plays even if you’re running five yard stops/slants/outs off of play action.

I simply don’t think Chaney is the guy, but it’s hard to argue with what he did last year. Armchair analysis is easy, and he knows volumes more than I ever will. Just don’t like the way he calls games.”

-another user

This. What really pissed me off yesterday was that we constantly did things in reaction to what LSU was doing or what they might do. To me, the fake field goal and the two-point attempt later in the game especially were solely reactions to what LSU might be doing. We tried to “fool” them or “outsmart” them, and that seemed to last the whole game. And I hate that. A good team will be just as prepared for anything, so you don’t win games against good opponents by trying to be smarter than them. You win by just beating them. So in addition to your points, I feel that Kirby and Chaney didn’t utilize our strengths to let our players just simply make plays to beat them. It’s like everything they did was in hopes that LSU “wouldn’t be ready for it.” And that bothers me. A team will always be “ready” to stop the run, but it doesn’t mean they actually will stop it. Seems like we really forgot that, and it hurt us completely.
This post was edited on 10/14/18 at 4:29 pm
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 10/14/18 at 4:39 pm to
There’s a lot of truth to this. Even Danielson noticed how they would show man but drop into zone. That’s why that draw on our second possession worked so well. They should’ve stuck to that. It also explains Fromms frustration as he was trying to throw into routes that weren’t there. CKS said as much in is post game.
Posted by RedFive
Ringgold Ga
Member since Apr 2015
2168 posts
Posted on 10/14/18 at 4:44 pm to
Totally makes sense and I agree about Cheney. He did well last year but he panics and starts wanting to throw the ball all over the place. I also agree with some of the posters that it may be time to let Fields see more playing time. Lastly I’m very unimpressed with our MLBs as well.
Posted by RedFive
Ringgold Ga
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 10/14/18 at 4:44 pm to
Nm
This post was edited on 10/14/18 at 4:45 pm
Posted by Red&Black
Athens, GA
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 10/14/18 at 5:11 pm to
Makes a lot of sense.
Posted by tylerdurden24
Member since Sep 2009
46385 posts
Posted on 10/14/18 at 5:30 pm to
This was the first time I really saw Chaney revert back to what made Arkansas fans HATE him. They had all world backs and he would completely give up on them because DCs would bait him into a passing game that didn’t exist (we did this to him in WMS last we played Arky I believe). What’s most concerning to me, though, is that neither Coley or Kirby seemed to realize this and adjust to it.
Posted by Walkthedawg
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Posted on 10/14/18 at 5:36 pm to
We got out coached, that is all. You have to define who you are on offense. Fromm cant carry an offense, Fields can.
Posted by bigdawg7780
SC
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 10/14/18 at 5:48 pm to
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Fromm cant carry an offense, Fields can.


Neither should carry our offense

Those 5 road graders followed by 7,13, 35 and 6 should carry our offense.
Posted by Walkthedawg
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Posted on 10/15/18 at 7:23 am to
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Neither should carry our offense


Nope, the QB position is the most important position of the field. I understand what you are saying and agree that we should and we can run the ball. When we went away from the run, I was completely dumbfounded. BUT, the QB position can carry a team. It doesn't have to happen all the time, but when it's needed, the QB can carry a team.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25869 posts
Posted on 10/15/18 at 7:26 am to
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Neither should carry our offense

Those 5 road graders followed by 7,13, 35 and 6 should carry our offense.

That attitude only limits an offensive football team.
Posted by DawgCountry
Great State of GA
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 10/15/18 at 7:43 am to
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Fromm cant carry an offense, Fields can.


why do you keep spewing this
Posted by Walkthedawg
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 10/15/18 at 7:46 am to
I expect a complete reevaluation of all positions and coaches over the next 2 weeks.

*Chaney needs to RUN the ball!!
*Richard Lecounte constantly over runs plays. He's made some great plays but he's also blew some plays.
*QB definitely needs a look, RUN to our strengths. Free JF's, let him throw the ball some, he's very capable.
*Ben Cleveland looks to be a huge loss. Every line position should be looked at again.
*Give the RB"s the ball, RUN the ball!!
*and for emphasis - RUN THE BALL!

quote:

"I know a lot of you guys have already predicted starters," Smart said. "You already know how many returning starters we have. I don't even know that. I don't look at that and say that guy's spot is locked up. That's not the case. We can't allow complacency to slip into our program and slip into our staff because I know that will eat away at the core fundamentals that we started to believe."


Good, let's take the next 2 weeks and define who we are, RUN THE BALL!! It will help our defense get some rest. And CHaney, if you're listening, RUN THE BALL, it's an offensive linemans best friend!
Posted by K9
wayx....BOBO IN '19
Member since Sep 2012
23958 posts
Posted on 10/15/18 at 7:48 am to
lol

there has been nothing to show Fields can carry an offense. That is pure speculation.

I dont know how you people come to that conclusion.
Posted by Walkthedawg
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Posted on 10/15/18 at 7:49 am to
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why do you keep spewing this


Truth hurts, I will be proven correct. You'll see. It's quite obvious to anybody that's watched both of them. One is CLEARLY better than the other.

It's why Dabo is starting a freshman.
This post was edited on 10/15/18 at 7:50 am
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32738 posts
Posted on 10/15/18 at 7:54 am to
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there has been nothing to show Fields can carry an offense. That is pure speculation.


The ability to run and throw well increases the odds of him being able to.
Posted by Spaceman Spiff
Savannah
Member since Sep 2012
17439 posts
Posted on 10/15/18 at 7:55 am to
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why do you keep spewing this


Odds are that he has a blow up doll with a picture of Fields' face taped on it that he "blows up" every night...
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25869 posts
Posted on 10/15/18 at 7:57 am to
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The ability to run and throw well increases the odds of him being able to.

This, and it seems pretty evident that Fromm can't at his current level of play.
Posted by Walkthedawg
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Posted on 10/15/18 at 8:05 am to
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Odds are that he has a blow up doll with a picture of Fields' face taped on it that he "blows up" every night.


Quality post
Posted by K9
wayx....BOBO IN '19
Member since Sep 2012
23958 posts
Posted on 10/15/18 at 8:08 am to
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The ability to run and throw well increases the odds of him being able to.



he hasnt shown he can throw well in a meaningful game...

jfc its like talking to a wall.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25869 posts
Posted on 10/15/18 at 8:09 am to
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he hasnt shown he can throw well in a meaningful game.

I’m willing to roll the dice with Fromm playing like he is.
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