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re: Todd Grantham Hired at Mississippi State
Posted on 1/11/17 at 7:17 pm to VADawg
Posted on 1/11/17 at 7:17 pm to VADawg
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The run defense was atrocious in that game.
It was atrocious every game that the opponent could push the ball down field vertically.
A huge issue was depth on the defensive line. Losing Derek Lott to transfer and then Abry Jones for the season was a backbreaker for us.
We needed a 5-2 front with a hammer at safety like Shawn Williams in order to be effective against the run. Spreading us to a nickel and forcing the linebackers play depth was going to be a long day (the front 4 couldn't stop anyone on their own)
Posted on 1/11/17 at 7:26 pm to SneakyWaff1es
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I'll still never understand why Herrera was on the bench most of that game.
Lots of reasons. True sophomore (under-classman) playing the Mike position (quarterback for the defense). Not as athletic in coverage.
When you aren't the most athletic, you better be able to diagnose a play and react fast. That is a lot to ask for a sophomore.
The biggest issue against Bama was contain (they spread us out and we couldn't hold our water with Jarvis and Jordan Jenkins). That and running Christian Robinson onto the field on third downs for a more athletic linebacker (struggling to get other players lined up because he was just getting into position himself and getting the play call as the ball was snapped... not a good plan to change out your Mike linebacker on third downs)
Posted on 1/11/17 at 7:31 pm to meansonny
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Grantham is a good coach.
Maybe he is, but the point stands: nobody's been knocking themselves out to keep him.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 7:41 pm to FaCubeItches
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Maybe he is, but the point stands: nobody's been knocking themselves out to keep him.
He's a job hopper. And not a good defensive coordinator (fails at recruiting, hiring position coaches, and managing all aspects of the defense). Would rather play and dominate with 13 players than rotate and develop under-class talent.
He recruits very well at OLB and developing those talents. Not the worst playcaller. But is often talent deficient to prevent a good OC from exploiting weaknesses (chase vasser, Connor norman, kwame geathers, Christian Robinson as a 3 down linebacker)
Posted on 1/11/17 at 8:22 pm to meansonny
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When you aren't the most athletic, you better be able to diagnose a play and react fast.
Other than Mike Gilliard getting run over by Eddie Lacy and TJ Yeldon all night long, I'd agree. Gilliard was neither athletic or fast to react. Diagnosing a play early doesn't mean shite if it just puts you in the ideal position for Lacey to put his cleats in your face.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 8:30 pm to SneakyWaff1es
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Diagnosing a play early doesn't mean shite if it just puts you in the ideal position for Lacey to put his cleats in your face.
Good point.
But there is a huge difference between a linebacker coming downhill versus a linebacker catching a running back flat footed.
That is the issue with Christian Robinson. Reading and diagnosing the play was an automatic 5-7 yards. He'd make the tackle. But there was no head of steam to offset even an average tailback's forward progress.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 9:07 pm to meansonny
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Christian Robinson
I'm talking about Mike Gilliard. He played next to Ogletree for most of the night and got run over or around repeatedly.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 9:13 pm to SneakyWaff1es
I understand. Gilliard was a notch above Robinson in that regard (which is why Robinson was only a 3rd down linebacker )
Posted on 1/11/17 at 9:34 pm to meansonny
Herrera was our best run stuffer all year. He should've been on the field more. I never understood Grantham sitting him the majority of the game either.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 9:56 pm to SneakyWaff1es
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I'm talking about Mike Gilliard. He played next to Ogletree for most of the night and got run over or around repeatedly.
Again... the DL and OLB were the bigger issue in the Bama game. Bama didnt respect our DTs which left our ILBs very occupied with OL. Bama was able to double-team us on the perimeter and ladder up and also get blocks on the second/third level.
You can say that failure was all the way around. But it really started with our DT, DE, and OLB up on the line of scrimmage getting blown up.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:52 am to meansonny
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Again... the DL and OLB were the bigger issue in the Bama game. d wi
Biggest issue in Bama game was us having fewer scholarship players than USC, who was at the height of their probation. Bama's roster management vs ours gave Bama a look at prob 30 more players over 3 years. Plus they came with a full roster.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 3:58 pm to meansonny
I'm not sure how any of what you said relates to Gilliard getting run over and Herrera making tackles.
This post was edited on 1/12/17 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 1/12/17 at 4:36 pm to GeorgiaBoy
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Herrera was our best run stuffer all year
This. I remember a friend commenting that whenever Herrera was in the game AL had trouble running. He was a tough sumbich and DGD.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 4:55 pm to SneakyWaff1es
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Other than Mike Gilliard getting run over by Eddie Lacy and TJ Yeldon all night long, I'd agree. Gilliard was neither athletic or fast to react. Diagnosing a play early doesn't mean shite if it just puts you in the ideal position for Lacey to put his cleats in your face
We remember different things. No biggie.
I remember us getting blown up on the edge. I don't remember the ILBs getting blown up by tailbacks because they couldn't get off OL blocks. It's been 4 years since I've watched it.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 5:00 pm to SquatchDawg
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This. I remember a friend commenting that whenever Herrera was in the game AL had trouble running. He was a tough sumbich and DGD
I don't remember Herrera against Bama. Probably cuz he didn't play much like you were saying.
He flashed in moments that year. But I remember him out of position a few times and worrying about his sideline to sideline speed (by his senior season, he didn't have any trouble sideline to sideline but that is what recognition does with experience)
Posted on 1/12/17 at 5:22 pm to meansonny
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worrying about his sideline to sideline speed
Oh yeah...you didn't want Herrera running any direction except north and south into gaps.
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