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The politics of renaming Sanford Stadium.Good ridence to Leebern and Adams
Posted on 9/9/19 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 9/9/19 at 12:48 pm
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Shows you what petty aholes both are and the bullshite that was obviously going on in our AD in the early 2000's.
Shows you what petty aholes both are and the bullshite that was obviously going on in our AD in the early 2000's.
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Posted on 9/9/19 at 1:15 pm to RD Dawg
I dont think I would have liked changing it from Sanford to Dooley-Sanford stadium.
I think dooley field is a good compromise.
I think dooley field is a good compromise.
Posted on 9/9/19 at 1:16 pm to K9
I agree it's a good compromise because nobody ever refers to a field. After a couple months nobody will even mention it.
Sanford Stadium doesn't ever need to be changed, ever.
Sanford Stadium doesn't ever need to be changed, ever.
Posted on 9/9/19 at 1:20 pm to RD Dawg
I have no idea if it’s actually taken this turn under Smart or if they’ve just gotten better at hiding it but it seems that the days of a few power brokers owning the athletic department have come to an end with more donors becoming involved, thereby spreading the power around. If anyone is going to have a voice in how the ship is run, it should be the Bily Payne’s, the Frank Ros’s, the Stinchcombs of the world, not the people whose primary business is liquor distribution with college athletics as a hobby
Posted on 9/9/19 at 1:24 pm to K9
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I think dooley field is a good compromise
I HIGHLY doubt Leebern or Adams wanted to have Dooley's name anywhere near Sanford. Don't believe Yocolan for 1 second.
Good news is that this fiasco got Leebern off the Board of Regents.
Posted on 9/9/19 at 1:34 pm to WG_Dawg
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Sanford Stadium doesn't ever need to be changed, ever.
Disagree.
Much more of the stadium was built and expanded under the leadership of Dooley than it ever was under Sanford.
I understand those who think VD underachieved as a coach but he did bring us into the modern era as an AD.
We've been completely leaderless in the Athletic Dept since he left.Nothing more than yes men and pencil pushers.
Posted on 9/9/19 at 1:45 pm to RD Dawg
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We've been completely leaderless in the Athletic Dept since he left.Nothing more than yes men and pencil pushers.
I tend to agree- but Kirby is shaking things up. We are finally all-in and our SEC cousins hate every second of it.
Posted on 9/9/19 at 1:50 pm to RD Dawg
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Much more of the stadium was built and expanded under the leadership of Dooley than it ever was under Sanford.
that's irrelevant. The name is iconic and doens't need to change with the breeze when the next great man comes through Athens. It's been the name for nearly 100 years and it deserves to stay. Plus hyphenated stadium names are lamer than one word strong names, IMO
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I understand those who think VD underachieved as a coach
IMO he did. I think you can make a valid case that richt was a "better coach" than vince. And when kirby is gone he'll be better than either. That shouldn't have anything to do with the name of the stadiuim
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he did bring us into the modern era as an AD.
which is great but I don't think merits naming the stadium after him
Posted on 9/9/19 at 1:56 pm to RD Dawg
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We've been completely leaderless in the Athletic Dept since he left.
We’ve had leaders. They just haven’t been very good at their jobs because they took all their cues from people more invested in themselves and their personal gratification than the betterment of the athletic program and the university. It seems we’ve finally pushed out the people more interested in their own legacies than building something the entire state can be proud of.
Posted on 9/9/19 at 2:03 pm to WG_Dawg
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IMO he did. I think you can make a valid case that richt was a "better coach" than vince.
This is not true. Vince Dooley coached when the population of the state was half what it is today. The talent pool when he coached pales in comparison to the talent pool Richt had. The state also didn't have the transplants from around the country it down now. Dooley also won 6 SEC titles and a national title. Regardless of why we won a national title, that puts him above Richt who was lazy and had the personality of someone doped up on valium.
This post was edited on 9/9/19 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 9/9/19 at 2:10 pm to tylerdurden24
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We’ve had leaders
Yes,and I should have clarified to mean folks who ran things at the top.
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It seems we’ve finally pushed out the people more interested in their own legacies than building something the entire state can be proud of.
Looks like it and it's a much better way to run things.
Posted on 9/9/19 at 2:14 pm to HTDawg
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Vince Dooley coached when the population of the state was half what it is today.
irrelevant to how good a coach he is
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The talent pool when he coached pales in comparison to the talent pool Richt had
the talent pool was the same in that era for everyone. There's more talent in GA now but there's more talent everywhere now. Dooley wasn't at an advantage or disadvantage compared to his peers
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The state also didn't have the transplants from around the country it down now.
irrelevant
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Dooley also won 6 SEC titles and a national title
correct, and those are the black and white numbers that put him as most people's #1. You also have to realize without the greatest player in CFB history he has 22 seasons with just 3 SEC titles and no natties. Granted, the staff worked their arse off to land herschel and those 3 years DO count, I'm not taking them away. I'm just saying that aside from the herschel years he was largely mediocre. Take away mack brown's national title with vince young adn what do you have? A lot of pretty good seasons same as vince. Is vince better than mack brown? And if so is it just becuase of longevity? That's another thing, vince was in an era where coaches were given almost unlimited leashes. If society was back then what it was today he doesn't evne make it to 1980 and we don't even have the herschel years. He also coached in an era with split titles so it was far easier to win the SEC. Dooley did coach in the same era as bryant, which obviously made thigns tougher. Aside from bear there wasn't a long period of elite coaches vince had to face yearly (nor did he have to face bear yearly). Richt had to deal with the end of spurrier-era UF, fulmer (albeit on the downswing), meyer-era UF, then the greatest coach in cfb history in saban.
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Regardless of why we won a national title, that puts him above Richt
I just don't think it's that black and white. Are larry coker and gene chizik better coaches than richt? According to you they are.
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who was lazy and had the personality of someone doped up on valium.
This simply isn't true. The last few years of richt sure I'll give you that. Early richt fresh from tallahassee was anything but lazy and was absolutely passionate and fiery. Just because he didn't cuss people out in press conferences doesn't mean he didn't have fire in his belly. And btw I've never seen vince raise his voice beyond a conversational tone in my life.
Posted on 9/9/19 at 2:39 pm to WG_Dawg
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the staff worked their arse off to land herschel
They did. And it still came down to this:
Herschel:
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"Remember, I didn't sign to go to Georgia until April (of my senior year of high school)," Walker said. "The reason I didn't sign until April because I thought, 'As long as I don't say anything, they'll let me go to the military.' And on Easter Sunday, in April, my mom said, 'You know, Bo...' my nickname was Bo so Bo Jackson wanted to be me. My mom said, 'You know Bo don't you think it's time you decide what you want to do?' And before I could say anything, she said, 'Let me tell you this: If your mind and your heart is pure by the Lord Jesus, it really don't matter about your decision.' "So I said alright I'll flip a coin. And I flipped the coin to decide whether to go to the military or go to college. And I go crap (when the coin landed on the side for college). And then I'm not going to the University of Georgia, and I was upset because God wouldn't let me do what I wanted to do. And I flipped a coin again: Clemson or the University of Georgia? Georgia end up winning the coin toss. And then I said, 'I'd love to go to USC out in California.' I flipped a coin between those two schools and Georgia won that as well. "And this is no lie: I pull the names out of a bag, and I pulled Georgia. And at that time I said I was going to Georgia, and that's how I ended up at Georgia. And sometimes when you're naive and stupid, God will take care of you because that was the right decision."
Posted on 9/9/19 at 2:46 pm to WG_Dawg
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irrelevant to how good a coach he is
Your available talent pool is very relevant especially back then.You really think the population boom in Florida didn't have anything to do with the success of UF,FSU and Miami in the 80's and 90's?
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There's more talent in GA now but there's more talent everywhere now
This is just flat out silly. Pennsylvania was a huge base of talent 40 years ago and a top 5 state for recruiting.Today,Ga,Alabama, Louisiana and NC all produce more talent.
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irrelevant
Of course it's relavent.
Posted on 9/10/19 at 10:40 am to WG_Dawg
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Are larry coker and gene chizik better coaches than richt? According to you they are.
Coker lasted longer at Da U than Richt did, and won a title there, so in the exact same job, Coker certainly seemed to be better.
Posted on 9/10/19 at 10:42 am to RD Dawg
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You really think the population boom in Florida didn't have anything to do with the success of UF,FSU and Miami in the 80's and 90's?
For Miami, at least, people paying tuition in cash during the Cocaine Wars was kind of a boost, too.
Posted on 9/10/19 at 10:43 am to FaCubeItches
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Are larry coker and gene chizik better coaches than richt? According to you they are.
Coker lasted longer at Da U than Richt did, and won a title there, so in the exact same job, Coker certainly seemed to be better.
holy crap dude. Coker inherited a megaroster and won a title that pretty mcuh any coach could've, then proceeded to lose the same or more games each following season he coached. He was such a fraud that after UM the only job he could get was with UTSA. Chizik was equally exposed as someone who won big by hitting hte jackpot then crumbling like sand when the cash cow left. I guess brad johnson and trent dilfer are better QBs than Dan Marino too, since the guy never won a super bowl and all.
Posted on 9/10/19 at 3:01 pm to WG_Dawg
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holy crap dude. Coker inherited a megaroster and won a title that pretty mcuh any coach could've, then proceeded to lose the same or more games each following season he coached.
Still won a title and still lasted longer, in the exact same job - a direct comparison. Therefore, the argument can certainly be made that he was better. There are also arguments to be made against him being better, but then again, Richt came into a pretty favorable situation talent-wise, when he took over at UGA, too, so that also has to figure in to the equation. What would his record have looked like had he come in to a much weaker roster?
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I guess brad johnson and trent dilfer are better QBs than Dan Marino too, since the guy never won a super bowl and all.
It all depends on what metric you use to count success. Is Marino the king of the meaningless record, but who couldn't ever win it all, or is he one of the best ever to play, and just never had the supporting cast to win it all?
Think of it this way: which Michael Jordan do people remember most? The guy who dragged mediocre-at-best Bulls teams into the playoffs pretty much on his own early in his career, the guy who boosted some a-little-better-than-average Wizards teams at the end of his career, or the guy who lead stacked Bulls team to 6 titles?
Posted on 9/10/19 at 4:38 pm to K9
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I dont think I would have liked changing it from Sanford to Dooley-Sanford stadium.
I think dooley field is a good compromise.
I suggested it to be Vince Dooley Field. Sounds better to me.
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