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The more important issue: who will replace JHC @ nickel\star? I have 7 options:
Posted on 5/29/13 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 5/29/13 at 1:36 pm
Safety won't be as effected as the star position. Only 30% of our snaps on defense would have had JHC at safety, while 70% would have had him at nickel\star.
Safety could be Norman, Moore or Deas, or one of our JUCO guys coming this summer.
We'll be in the 4-2-5 70% of the time against Clemson & the Lamecocks. CTG was already looking to move JHC from safety to star in the 4-2-5, and has already got a pecking order in mind, based on who's on campus and who's coming.
I see these possibilities:
1. Move Swann to star, start S. Dawson and Wilkerson at CB, and play Wiggins, Langley and Bowman as backups. Use Kennar Johnson and Fluker as backup safeties to Matthews & Moore or Norman.
2. Leave Swann & Dawson as starting CBs, backed up by the 3 true freshmen. Move Kennar or Fluker to star, and Bowman as the backup. If one of the freshmen looks better than Bowman, move him to star and put Bowman back at CB.
3. Vassar has played effectively at OLB previously, and seemed to be pretty good in coverage. Why not move cross train him at OLB and star? We'll be using 2 OLBs only 30% of the time, anyway. We could line up as if we were in the base 3-4-4, and then shift to the 4-2-5 and see if we could confuse the opponent's QB.
4. Maybe CTG could announce us starting in the 4-2-5, drop references to the usual defense in the preseason, and then come out in our base, with a solid coverage safety lined up with Matthews.
5. For the first game, use Mitchell at CB in the 4-2-5, with Swann at star.
6. Look at J.J. Green at corner if Douglas or Turman appears ready to play.
7. If Terry recovers well from his knee surgery, and we have 6 or 7 other guys ready to play at WR, try Terry at CB or star. The kid was a DB in high school, one of the highest rated CBs in the nation.
Hope it is OK to start another thread on JHC.
Safety could be Norman, Moore or Deas, or one of our JUCO guys coming this summer.
We'll be in the 4-2-5 70% of the time against Clemson & the Lamecocks. CTG was already looking to move JHC from safety to star in the 4-2-5, and has already got a pecking order in mind, based on who's on campus and who's coming.
I see these possibilities:
1. Move Swann to star, start S. Dawson and Wilkerson at CB, and play Wiggins, Langley and Bowman as backups. Use Kennar Johnson and Fluker as backup safeties to Matthews & Moore or Norman.
2. Leave Swann & Dawson as starting CBs, backed up by the 3 true freshmen. Move Kennar or Fluker to star, and Bowman as the backup. If one of the freshmen looks better than Bowman, move him to star and put Bowman back at CB.
3. Vassar has played effectively at OLB previously, and seemed to be pretty good in coverage. Why not move cross train him at OLB and star? We'll be using 2 OLBs only 30% of the time, anyway. We could line up as if we were in the base 3-4-4, and then shift to the 4-2-5 and see if we could confuse the opponent's QB.
4. Maybe CTG could announce us starting in the 4-2-5, drop references to the usual defense in the preseason, and then come out in our base, with a solid coverage safety lined up with Matthews.
5. For the first game, use Mitchell at CB in the 4-2-5, with Swann at star.
6. Look at J.J. Green at corner if Douglas or Turman appears ready to play.
7. If Terry recovers well from his knee surgery, and we have 6 or 7 other guys ready to play at WR, try Terry at CB or star. The kid was a DB in high school, one of the highest rated CBs in the nation.
Hope it is OK to start another thread on JHC.
This post was edited on 5/29/13 at 1:50 pm
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Posted on 5/29/13 at 1:40 pm to theoriginalpitbull
We should move Mitchell back to corner.
We have more than enough good receivers and we're lacking experience all over the defensive backfield.
We have more than enough good receivers and we're lacking experience all over the defensive backfield.
Posted on 5/29/13 at 1:41 pm to theoriginalpitbull
1. yes
2. yes (specifically Fluker)
3. Dear lord no with Vasser
4. maybe
5. no, we're gonna need to score some points and I'm done with the experiment
6. no, he'll get torched by Clemson
7. hmm, haven't really thought of that but I'd much rather not start a true freshmen coming of a serious injury verse a team like Clemson.
Is he suspended two games? I thought it was just Clemson.
2. yes (specifically Fluker)
3. Dear lord no with Vasser
4. maybe
5. no, we're gonna need to score some points and I'm done with the experiment
6. no, he'll get torched by Clemson
7. hmm, haven't really thought of that but I'd much rather not start a true freshmen coming of a serious injury verse a team like Clemson.
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against Clemson & the Lamecocks.
Is he suspended two games? I thought it was just Clemson.
Posted on 5/29/13 at 1:55 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
Suspended only 1 game.
Suggested for first two games in case JHC isn't up to taking all the snaps on defense against the Lamecocks, or God forbid, he can't kick the grass and misses more than the opener.
Suggested for first two games in case JHC isn't up to taking all the snaps on defense against the Lamecocks, or God forbid, he can't kick the grass and misses more than the opener.
Posted on 5/29/13 at 2:01 pm to dawgdayafternoon
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We should move Mitchell back to corner. We have more than enough good receivers and we're lacking experience all over the defensive backfield.
Exactly what I said.
This post was edited on 5/29/13 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 5/29/13 at 2:03 pm to RunLindsayRun
I would feel really comfortable with the pass defense having Swann, Dawson and Mitchell as the 3 primary corners.
But having to rely on either Bowman (who looked really bad in coverage last year) or a true freshman concerns me a lot.
But having to rely on either Bowman (who looked really bad in coverage last year) or a true freshman concerns me a lot.
Posted on 5/29/13 at 2:13 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
Desperate times call for desperate measures.
I'll grant you your opinion on Vassar and Mitchell, but not so much on Green and Trammel.
Green and Terry were 4 star recruits at CB if I recall correctly.
Both were so good while part time on offense in HS we recruited them as athletes who may play on either or both sides of the ball for us.
Green didn't look like all that at RB on G-day, anyway, and as a CB ranked right up there with Wilkerson, Shaq and Langley, didn't he?
And I'll grant you Trammel may not be ready because of the knee, but if he is ready, and we have plenty of other options at WR, what's the harm in giving the kid a good look at CB or star?
If, and only if, TT's knee is OK, and we'll have only 1 experienced CB, 2 sophomores and 3 other true freshmen at CB, with JHC on the bench, he could be the best true freshman CB on our roster, and the 3rd best CB we've got.
I'll grant you your opinion on Vassar and Mitchell, but not so much on Green and Trammel.
Green and Terry were 4 star recruits at CB if I recall correctly.
Both were so good while part time on offense in HS we recruited them as athletes who may play on either or both sides of the ball for us.
Green didn't look like all that at RB on G-day, anyway, and as a CB ranked right up there with Wilkerson, Shaq and Langley, didn't he?
And I'll grant you Trammel may not be ready because of the knee, but if he is ready, and we have plenty of other options at WR, what's the harm in giving the kid a good look at CB or star?
If, and only if, TT's knee is OK, and we'll have only 1 experienced CB, 2 sophomores and 3 other true freshmen at CB, with JHC on the bench, he could be the best true freshman CB on our roster, and the 3rd best CB we've got.
Posted on 5/29/13 at 3:57 pm to theoriginalpitbull
What's the rule of thumb? Isn't it something like you should expect at least one loss per true freshman that you start against FBS teams?
Posted on 5/29/13 at 4:18 pm to theoriginalpitbull
True, I'd feel more comfortable with Terry simply because he's a better athlete and is a few inches taller.
Posted on 5/30/13 at 11:46 am to Porter Osborne Jr
Terry is a play-maker. Even true freshmen, as backups, often find a way to get their hands on the ball and make good things happen for their team.
Posted on 5/30/13 at 1:01 pm to theoriginalpitbull
stripling
Posted on 5/30/13 at 1:56 pm to dawgdayafternoon
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we should move mitchell to corner
I agree. Corner is his natural spot, but it almost certainly won't happen.
Posted on 5/31/13 at 6:18 pm to Sanford&MunSon
stripling.
Posted on 5/31/13 at 6:19 pm to deeprig9
drew
Posted on 5/31/13 at 6:47 pm to dawgdayafternoon
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drew
What's his 40?
Posted on 5/31/13 at 7:10 pm to deeprig9
Gonna need y'all to break down some more film on this one. What package should we run if they come out in quads and try to get us in man under and then run 9 routes at the safety's to get their backs around and then do some QB draws or some peal off delay routes? Who should we use in this modified dime package? Do we rush 3 and spy with the weak side LB or do we roll him and drop the DT into the strong side passing lane?
These are important questions that must be resolved before the season if we have a shot at beating Clemson. The season depends on you men on this very website.. Get to work...
These are important questions that must be resolved before the season if we have a shot at beating Clemson. The season depends on you men on this very website.. Get to work...
Posted on 5/31/13 at 7:42 pm to Peter Buck
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What package should we run if they come out in quads and try to get us in man under and then run 9 routes at the safety's to get their backs around and then do some QB draws or some peal off delay routes? Who should we use in this modified dime package? Do we rush 3 and spy with the weak side LB or do we roll him and drop the DT into the strong side passing lane?
First of all, you go for the coverage sack. Plan B isn't just a sigh of releif the morning after, it's the quarterback not knowing if the safety is going to help out the backs or make a break for the LOS, or act like he's breaking for the LOS but really taking the role of spy, and get an extra linebacker after his arse, tricking him into fricking up. Tajh is not an elite quarterback.
Basically, cover 5.
Posted on 5/31/13 at 7:49 pm to deeprig9
At G-Day there was some interesting 2-4-5 stuff going on. Spider Monkey stuff.
There's no reason Stripling can't step in at Nickel.
There's no reason Stripling can't step in at Nickel.
Posted on 5/31/13 at 9:10 pm to deeprig9
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At G-Day there was some interesting 2-4-5 stuff going on. Spider Monkey stuff
Ummm. that's just our normal nickel look.
Posted on 5/31/13 at 9:16 pm to meansonny
I like Swann at the star position because it is supposed to be our best playmaker/athlete (ie. We sacrificed our best cover-corner Boykin to be in the slot because he was also the best against the run and blitzing).
If stripling is able to do that, then it is a good idea. ive never thought of him as that athletic, though. just big and lean.
We did run some base 3-4 personnel against the spread. we had herrera and Deloach out there over the slot. Deloach was a heavy blitzer from that defense.
It depends on how we want to defend the pass.
But i dont mind staying in the backfield in a high risk/high reward defense against Clemson.
If stripling is able to do that, then it is a good idea. ive never thought of him as that athletic, though. just big and lean.
We did run some base 3-4 personnel against the spread. we had herrera and Deloach out there over the slot. Deloach was a heavy blitzer from that defense.
It depends on how we want to defend the pass.
But i dont mind staying in the backfield in a high risk/high reward defense against Clemson.
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