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re: Reports surfacing that Ty Flournoy-Smith was arrested last night
Posted on 2/24/13 at 7:41 pm to Cherokee Chinstrap
Posted on 2/24/13 at 7:41 pm to Cherokee Chinstrap
Sports involved: football, baseball, softball, gymnastics, men's basketball, womens basketball, men's golf, women's golf, men's swimming, women's swimming, men's tennis, women's tennis, men's track (indoor and outdoor), women's track (indoor and outdoor), women's soccer, volleyball
Violations: impermissible benefits obtained by student-athletes at least as early as 2005 through misuse of the institution's textbook distribution program
Probation: three years
Among other penalties: vacation of 21 football victories (10 in 2005, six in 2006 and five in 2007); in men's tennis, men's track and women's track, records of 15 student-athletes vacated and team point totals reconfigured accordingly; $43,900 fine
Five-year repeat offender window: expires June 10. 8, 2014
Source: NCAA
Violations: impermissible benefits obtained by student-athletes at least as early as 2005 through misuse of the institution's textbook distribution program
Probation: three years
Among other penalties: vacation of 21 football victories (10 in 2005, six in 2006 and five in 2007); in men's tennis, men's track and women's track, records of 15 student-athletes vacated and team point totals reconfigured accordingly; $43,900 fine
Five-year repeat offender window: expires June 10. 8, 2014
Source: NCAA
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Posted on 2/24/13 at 7:43 pm to Peter Buck
Draper... Explain to us how the text book scam was not institutional at Bama.
Posted on 2/25/13 at 3:28 pm to Peter Buck
Are you an inspiring lawyer/politician? If you wanna discuss this, fine, but don't twist and change the direction of the subject where we're just running in circles. One last time.....
First of all, you didnt say the book issue was "institional", you claimed that "Bama got probation for sanctioning the book scam". No, UA was unaware of the violations, and once they were discovered the the university self reported the violations. completely different.
Again, it's ALL A MOOT POINT because the two situations are different. Ours didn't involve the police at all, let alone charges being pressed by the police. If you can't realize this simple fact than I don't kow what to say.
First of all, you didnt say the book issue was "institional", you claimed that "Bama got probation for sanctioning the book scam". No, UA was unaware of the violations, and once they were discovered the the university self reported the violations. completely different.
Again, it's ALL A MOOT POINT because the two situations are different. Ours didn't involve the police at all, let alone charges being pressed by the police. If you can't realize this simple fact than I don't kow what to say.
This post was edited on 2/25/13 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 2/25/13 at 3:38 pm to DonDraper
Oh, and FYI...
We were currently on probation when the book scandal wen't down, if what you posted was true then the NCAA would have slapped us with "Lack of Institutional Control" title, and we would have more than likely received the death penalty.
We were currently on probation when the book scandal wen't down, if what you posted was true then the NCAA would have slapped us with "Lack of Institutional Control" title, and we would have more than likely received the death penalty.
Posted on 2/25/13 at 4:04 pm to DonDraper
Sanctioning means looking the other way in this and many cases when it has come to the book scam... Institutional means it went on within the entire AD... Seeing the names and sports involved supports this statement. If Bamas's AD was spending thousands, upon thousands of dollars to buy books and then they were not coming back and you want to think it was just an oversight, then you are naive...
The differences you point out in the situations are a big part of my point. Those players are stealing from the AD when they sell the books that do not belong to them. I am not aware of any of them getting arrested at Bama for it, but since they had not checks in place, there was no need to file a police report when one illegally sold the ADs property...aka books...
A UGA player did get arrested not because he sold the books, but because UGA has these checks in place and the policies tangential aspect actually exposes the player to much greater risk....
...and say what you want about LEO and filing false reports, but everyone involved knew the deal and they could have left well enough alone or they could have investigated a small dollar amount of stolen books.
... And on a side note, I have had items with much greater value stolen and the police did not go after the theft with the same zeal and I even gave them the name of the meth head who took all the shite off my boat... Don't patronize me with that bullshite...
The differences you point out in the situations are a big part of my point. Those players are stealing from the AD when they sell the books that do not belong to them. I am not aware of any of them getting arrested at Bama for it, but since they had not checks in place, there was no need to file a police report when one illegally sold the ADs property...aka books...
A UGA player did get arrested not because he sold the books, but because UGA has these checks in place and the policies tangential aspect actually exposes the player to much greater risk....
...and say what you want about LEO and filing false reports, but everyone involved knew the deal and they could have left well enough alone or they could have investigated a small dollar amount of stolen books.
... And on a side note, I have had items with much greater value stolen and the police did not go after the theft with the same zeal and I even gave them the name of the meth head who took all the shite off my boat... Don't patronize me with that bullshite...
Posted on 2/25/13 at 5:44 pm to Peter Buck
Most people interpret Sanction as giving approval or permission, which you implied UA did. Either way I can you neither happened.
Why? Because we were on a long probation that was coming to an end, the NCAA had their eye on us, and everyone was thinking they wanted to make us an example. If the NCAA had thought Ua even looked the other way it would have been LOIC. We were on very thin ice.
No way in hell was anyone looking the other way towards text books when the death penalty was on the table. Now was it wide spread? Absolutely. Was there a gap in the system that was exploited? Oh yea.
You also act like the police had to dig deep to find a stolen text book. It was more than likely as simple as calling the local book stores who would buy it, asking if they have book #3245689, and then looking into the computer. Probably took less than 10 min to crack the case.
Either way the situations are different, one involved police, and the other didn't. The university didn't get caught sanctioning the violation. That's it. Have a good night.
Why? Because we were on a long probation that was coming to an end, the NCAA had their eye on us, and everyone was thinking they wanted to make us an example. If the NCAA had thought Ua even looked the other way it would have been LOIC. We were on very thin ice.
No way in hell was anyone looking the other way towards text books when the death penalty was on the table. Now was it wide spread? Absolutely. Was there a gap in the system that was exploited? Oh yea.
You also act like the police had to dig deep to find a stolen text book. It was more than likely as simple as calling the local book stores who would buy it, asking if they have book #3245689, and then looking into the computer. Probably took less than 10 min to crack the case.
Either way the situations are different, one involved police, and the other didn't. The university didn't get caught sanctioning the violation. That's it. Have a good night.
Posted on 2/25/13 at 8:40 pm to DonDraper
Take off the Bama glasses for a second. Those books are assets. Is there any department at Bama that operates with as little accountability? So many were in on it and it went on for a number of years and that was just what they could measure. Text books cost a lot of money and "losing" that much money would stick out like a sore thumb to an auditor with 2 weeks experience. You call it a gap in the system, which sounds very safe.... But what does that mean? Selling and "leasing" college text books has been a on the DL way for scholarship athletes to make some scratch for decades. It is not some whacky thing some Bama kids thought up in 2005...
With that said, I'd be interested to know what happens at Bama now if you lose a book....
With that said, I'd be interested to know what happens at Bama now if you lose a book....
Posted on 2/25/13 at 8:58 pm to JStanDawgFan
So with Ty, is he suspended yet? Is there an indication if they will suspend him for any games?
...Are the police going to throw the book at him? (pun intended)
...Are the police going to throw the book at him? (pun intended)
Posted on 2/25/13 at 9:07 pm to CockInYourEar
You can assume he will be suspended. But it won't help anyone in your pool, noone on your board or here has guessed 'filing false police report"
Posted on 2/25/13 at 10:00 pm to deeprig9
Yeah, I don't think anyone would have predicted false reporting as an offense. However, the suspension reasons are for tie-breakers only. We're just really focusing on the numbers, then the violations and not even naming the players.
It's not even March, and we're just about at 2. I way undershot this and said 3 myself...but we're not even at Spring Break yet, so I'm pretty much out, IMO.
It's not even March, and we're just about at 2. I way undershot this and said 3 myself...but we're not even at Spring Break yet, so I'm pretty much out, IMO.
Posted on 2/25/13 at 10:11 pm to CockInYourEar
How are you "just about" at two?
I see you are "just about" at one. Did I miss something?
I see you are "just about" at one. Did I miss something?
Posted on 2/26/13 at 6:39 am to deeprig9
My bet was 3 total suspensions/dismissals.
Ogletree's brother was dismissed and now Ty is just about suspended. So if we hit 2 before March, I think the pace will be greater than ending with a total of 3. Therefore, I will be eliminated, b/c people did bet 4-6, which might be the more realistic range now.
Ogletree's brother was dismissed and now Ty is just about suspended. So if we hit 2 before March, I think the pace will be greater than ending with a total of 3. Therefore, I will be eliminated, b/c people did bet 4-6, which might be the more realistic range now.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 6:59 am to CockInYourEar
You cocks and your your cock games
Posted on 2/26/13 at 7:24 am to gatorhata9
I find it odd that cock lovers would be involved in a snicker game on off the field issues of another team that isn't even their rival.... Especially given their own off the field performances....
Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:34 am to gatorhata9
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You cocks and your your cock games
Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:38 am to Peter Buck
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I find it odd that cock lovers would be involved in a snicker game on off the field issues of another team that isn't even their rival.... Especially given their own off the field performances....
Nobody said the Cocks don't have guys that get in trouble, just about every university does. What you have to acknowledge is that UGA has had a lot over the past 5-6 years. We haven't seen anything close to the number of suspensions y'all had since the Holtz years.
If it makes you feel better, go ahead and start a thread about how many Gamecock players are going to get suspended. Right now we are at 0, but we haven't hit Spring Break yet either.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:46 am to CockInYourEar
In the past 5 or 6 years at USC, there have been like 40 something arrests. That does not count kids suspended or kicked off the team for "rules" violations or the NCAA issues. That does not justify all the stupid shite at UGA, but then again, we are not stupid enough to make fun of other teams for it all...
Posted on 2/26/13 at 12:53 pm to Peter Buck
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In the past 5 or 6 years at USC, there have been like 40 something arrests.
Maybe, but we've had only 7 since Sept of 2009 . However in 2005, we ran that jailhouse!
Posted on 2/26/13 at 1:09 pm to CockInYourEar
Last year we both had a guy get kicked off the team for a felony... Other than that, it was normal college bs.... Going back 5 or 6 years as stated, UGA and USC have dozens of arrests.... Any way you slice it, your snicker fest is another example of USC fans not having a clue about their station in all things college football related....
Posted on 2/26/13 at 2:55 pm to Peter Buck
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