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Posted on 7/21/19 at 7:35 am to LSUHobNailBoot
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I still firmly believe that fake FG changed the entire game. Yes I know its one play but you could feel it in the stands (I was on the LSU side) everyone was like. Wait a minute we got a chance. You could see it on the sidelines, from that point forward the sidelines changed.
Teams usually try a play like that when the coaches believe they can't win straight up. I thought the same in the SECCG when we did the fake.
Posted on 7/21/19 at 8:36 am to AlaCowboy
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Teams usually try a play like that when the coaches believe they can't win straight up. I thought the same in the SECCG when we did the fake.
The fake against LSU was dumb. Teams usually try that when they think it will be a shootout. LSU didn't necessitate a shootout philosophy. We should have taken the points 100 out of 100 times.
The fake against Bama makes sense. The defense wasn't looking good at all. If Bama fields the punt cleanly, the game was over with the L. No way in hell should Fields have been trying to run with the football. A pass attempt could have net a PI call if not a completion. Swift against a linebacker should be a statistical win more times than not. It is on the coaches for calling a play that Fields was not mentally ready to run.
Posted on 7/21/19 at 10:31 am to meansonny
I think Fields ran exactly the play HE wanted to run. He was already on his way out and didn't have his head or heart in the SECCG.
Posted on 7/21/19 at 5:00 pm to meansonny
No one was open on the play. Time out was needed once they were in punt safe. I think it was a terrible call to begin with. Punt them deep. Force them to drive 59 yards.
Posted on 7/22/19 at 8:09 am to AlaCowboy
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I think Fields ran exactly the play HE wanted to run. He was already on his way out and didn't have his head or heart in the SECCG.
well I don't agree with this at all. Punting there is probably the right/safe move, although our defense was gassed and hurts with fresh legs was giving us fits so even if we pinned them 30 yards further back idk if it would've mattered TOO much. I've said it many times and will continue to say it but the actual fake call itself was brilliant and I have no issues wiht that specific fake being called. The ONLY issue I have with it is we put Fields in instead of a TE or someone who would otherwise ordinarily be there. That was monumentally dumb. We also shoudl have snapped it immediatley instead of letting them get set. But the actual play itself was outstanding. It's the exact same play call we ran for a successful 4th down conversion against them in 2012. In scouting kirby saw that somehow, someway, bama hadn't changed their punt safe in 7 years. They lined up exactly the same way they did in 2012 and we had swift that should have been a gimme conversion that even I could complete. The problem was 2 fold. First, putting fields in obviously tipped our hand that something was up. And by waiting an eternity to snap the ball, their LB realized what was happenign and flaired out to man up on swift, which basically fricked the play. Fields didn't really have a ton of options at that point I don't think. If we do things how they shoudl've been done, that LB has no clue and swift runs straight ahead with nobody within 10 yards of him.
Posted on 7/22/19 at 8:40 am to dawgdayafternoon
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No. Our worst loss in 2013 was 41-26 to Missouri.
But honestly, who the frick cares? Almost every team in college football has lost a game by 15+ points each season since then.
It's actually 2004. We've lost at least one game by at least 15 points every year since 2004. If this isn't disturbing to you as a Georgia fan, then god bless you.
Posted on 7/22/19 at 8:43 am to dhuck20
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I actually rewatched some of the Texas game last night. That game has the potential to be completely different. I was disappointed in how our line played but between Swift’s fumble at our own like 25 and Camarda being marked down deep in our own territory, we gave them 10 points.
The LSU game still stings way more than the Texas game. The Texas game was a post season scrimmage. Nobody Georgia wanted to be in that game. Just like Alabama in those two goofy Sugar Bowls that they've lost under Saban.
Posted on 7/22/19 at 9:33 am to BoneDrownedDave
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The LSU game still stings way more than the Texas game. The Texas game was a post season scrimmage. Nobody Georgia wanted to be in that game.
I suppose it depends on why you watch football. I watch because I enjoy watching our team play hard and hopefully win, from first game to last.
For those UGA fans who only care about winning a national championship (undoubtedly a long-suffering group), apparently the performance against Texas was meaningless since the contest was meaningless. For the rest of us, I wish Kirby would announce in advance which games his staff and team consider "scrimmages".
This post was edited on 7/22/19 at 9:55 am
Posted on 7/22/19 at 10:19 am to djsdawg
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Force them to drive 59 yards.
What makes you think that they couldn't drive the field?
Did you see the defense in the 4th quarter? Bama drove 80 yards the drive prior. 52 yards after the fake punt. The 2 drives had 7 plays of 10+ yards. All they needed was 3 points (but got the 7).
Posted on 7/22/19 at 10:24 am to WG_Dawg
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Fields didn't really have a ton of options at that point I don't think. If we do things how they shoudl've been done, that LB has no clue and swift runs straight ahead with nobody within 10 yards of him
We should have passed the ball to Swift.
This isn't rocket science. 99.9% of snaps have a defender on a receiver. All of a sudden, a linebacker is covering Swift and the first impulse is that we can't get a completion?
The play should challenge the leverage. The defender takes inside position, Swift takes the route outside to the sideline.
The defender takes outside position, and Swift runs a slant or post (the route needs the yardage for the first down).
A defender can only take away 1 side of the receiver. If Swift is any good (and he is), then the pass should have gone out. With a step on the defender, we are more than likely going to get a PI from a linebacker defending in punt return formation.
Posted on 7/22/19 at 1:46 pm to meansonny
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What makes you think that they couldn't drive the field?
They could have. The further they have to go, The harder it is. Punt them deep. Make them earn it. Make an adjustment. Try to Force an error. Put pressure on their placekicker again. He choked in 2017.
Posted on 7/22/19 at 1:50 pm to djsdawg
They drove 52 yards for a TD.
The only thing that stopped that drive was the end zone.
Your post challenged the defense to force Bama to drive 59 yards (I presume for a field goal attempt).
I can agree to disagree. We weren't stopping Bama's offense on that drive. The only hope punting would have been a muffed punt return.
The only thing that stopped that drive was the end zone.
Your post challenged the defense to force Bama to drive 59 yards (I presume for a field goal attempt).
I can agree to disagree. We weren't stopping Bama's offense on that drive. The only hope punting would have been a muffed punt return.
Posted on 7/22/19 at 1:55 pm to meansonny
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This isn't rocket science. 99.9% of snaps have a defender on a receiver. All of a sudden, a linebacker is covering Swift and the first impulse is that we can't get a completion?
Fake kicks almost always rely on an open guy to throw to. I can’t recall any successful fake kick pass with no one open. You are also discounting the pass rush that was coming hot right at fields. He didn’t have time to wait for swift to get in first down range.
Posted on 7/22/19 at 2:01 pm to djsdawg
We have a 5 star QB.
We have a high 4 star RB.
You can look at it like a fake punt.
Or look at it like a pass from a 5 star QB to a future NFL RB.
And when the receiver catches the ball, the general consensus is that he was open (even if the reality is open enough). Playing the leverage, the receiver will have at a minimum a half step on the defender. Anything less than a half step is a possible pass interference with an automatic first down.
Like I said... he should have thrown the ball. I think Fields is too afraid of making mistakes that he was hesitant to let the ball rip. It wasn't just that play. He was consistently too happy to pull the ball down and scramble.
We have a high 4 star RB.
You can look at it like a fake punt.
Or look at it like a pass from a 5 star QB to a future NFL RB.
And when the receiver catches the ball, the general consensus is that he was open (even if the reality is open enough). Playing the leverage, the receiver will have at a minimum a half step on the defender. Anything less than a half step is a possible pass interference with an automatic first down.
Like I said... he should have thrown the ball. I think Fields is too afraid of making mistakes that he was hesitant to let the ball rip. It wasn't just that play. He was consistently too happy to pull the ball down and scramble.
Posted on 7/22/19 at 2:18 pm to meansonny
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We should have passed the ball to Swift.
This isn't rocket science. 99.9% of snaps have a defender on a receiver. All of a sudden, a linebacker is covering Swift and the first impulse is that we can't get a completion?
The play should challenge the leverage. The defender takes inside position, Swift takes the route outside to the sideline.
The defender takes outside position, and Swift runs a slant or post (the route needs the yardage for the first down).
that sounds good in theory but doesn't really apply to this specific situation. This isn't a normal passing play where we expect our RB to make a move against a LB, the whole point of the play was to have an uncovered receiver (which we did) just run straight and catch an easy pass. The very fact that their LB recognized it and then covered swift doomed the play from the outset. Here is hte original play in 2012, we lined up the exact same way and somehow (this still blows my mind) bama lined up in the exact same way: LINK
It was there, we had it. But fields being in tipped our hand and their LB shifted over. If we have a TE in there, or even if we hurry to the line and snap it immediately, we're good. We just made 2 colossal errors both before the ball was even snapped. But again I'll contend that the actual PLAY itself was a tremendous call. The execution was just pathetic.
Posted on 7/22/19 at 2:24 pm to BoneDrownedDave
LSU played very well and had a great secondary.
Meanwhile the Fromm/Fields issue boiled over that week and Fromm played the game looking over his shoulder with a locker room that was dividing.
Fields barely saw the field after that and was never given meaningful snaps after the UT game just prior.
Meanwhile the Fromm/Fields issue boiled over that week and Fromm played the game looking over his shoulder with a locker room that was dividing.
Fields barely saw the field after that and was never given meaningful snaps after the UT game just prior.
Posted on 7/22/19 at 2:50 pm to meansonny
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You can look at it like a fake punt.
Or look at it like a pass from a 5 star QB to a future NFL RB.
It makes sense to look at every play by the formation and situation it is.
Fakes are always expected to be wide open, and he didn’t have time to wait for someone to become ope .
Posted on 7/22/19 at 4:35 pm to djsdawg
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Fakes are always expected to be wide open, and he didn’t have time to wait for someone to become ope .
My last post on this.
A QB should be good enough to lead a receiver. Think of a route. Think of where the receiver should be. Throw the ball there. You see Swift running an out with the defenders inside leverage. You see Camarda swinging wide left for the pitch. Fields decides to go with neither option (because of the yardage, it should have gone to Swift on the out).
YouTube of the fake against Bama 2018.
Believe it nor not... the QB is used to a defender being on the field and aware of the receiver. It goes with fairness and all (11 on our side and 11 on theirs. QBs somehow throw the ball anyway).
If you don't think a 5 star QB is capable of throwing an out route when the defender has inside leverage...
Cheers
This post was edited on 7/22/19 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 7/22/19 at 5:22 pm to meansonny
A qb isn’t used to a being an up back in a punt formation at all. QBs are taught to protect the ball, above all else, and fields did that. That’s the flaw of having your backup QB in for the play. With more time, he might be able to make that decision, but it’s a split second due to terrible pass blocking. Maybe a trey Blount throws it and it works, but that’s highly doubtful.
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