Started By
Message
re: Haselwood's comments about our staff
Posted on 1/16/19 at 12:17 pm to HTDawg
Posted on 1/16/19 at 12:17 pm to HTDawg
quote:The question would be about an apples-to-oranges situation and would thus be irrelevant.
If Fields absolutely balls out and is a Heisman caliber player, then it's a fair question to ask.
quote:People should have already seen why he didn't beat out Fromm this past season. The tape is there and the history with Fromm is there. Fromm is one of the better QBs in college football right now and has experience and leadership on his side, as well. Fields' raw talent wasn't enough in his freshman season to overcome that. That doesn't mean Fields doesn't have potential but that he wasn't ready this past season. I don't understand what true freshman Fields has to do with upperclassman Fields if upperclassman Fields plays really well and gets titles and awards. Freshman Cam Newton wasn't as good as he was when he helped his team to a national championship.
If he doesn't then people will see why he didn't beat out Fromm.
quote:That's funny that you should mention chemistry because CKS took Fromm out of the game many times throughout this past season to give Fields some reps. Chemistry didn't seem to be as much of a concern as Fields was being given chances to see action in place of our healthy starter that was improving greatly as the season progressed. I contend that it's likely one reason why Fromm seemed to struggle earlier in the season as he had to adjust to having Fields switch off with him throughout the game.
We know why Fromm started over Eason. Eason was injured for nearly half the season and Fromm led us to a 5-0 record. Smart wasn't going to take Fromm out and destroy the chemistry of the team by taking him out. If Eason was only injured for one game, it might have been different.
Fromm was pushing Eason as soon as he got on campus. Fromm's ability to learn the offense was commented on in no small measure that season as he looked confident behind center, making adjustments and getting other players in their spots. He looked like a polished upperclassman out there for most of the season. Eason rarely looked like that in his freshman season or during the first few series before his injury. Eason's arm and Lambert's 'meh factor' is what got him the starting job the year before, but he apparently had not grown enough to fend off Fromm after a few games of experience under his belt. That should be a credit to Fromm.
Fields, likewise, was unable to beat out Fromm for much of the same reason. Fromm kept improving over the season at a larger rate than Fields, at least in terms of what I saw during the games. Fields was doing the same stuff in his last few games as his first few with some bright spots in between. That great game against UMass wasn't enough to overtake Fromm to finish off the season and there wasn't anything earlier in the season that indicated that Fields was the better QB at the time.
quote:Much like Fields, he had/has potential. He has an arm like Stafford and has some height to him, which are really good attributes for a QB to have. He also got the benefit of competing against Lambert for the starting job, which Fields would have likely beat out with no problem had he been in the same situation. Fields possibly could have beaten Eason in 2017 if he switched places with Fromm. You just never know. Even so, there is talk of Eason competing for titles and awards at Washington. I wish him the best (as long as they aren't playing us), as at least he left on good terms.
It's not like Eason was great before the injury.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 12:23 pm to FooManChoo
Fromm is a good QB. Fields will be a better QB.
sucks to lose Fields. I hope Kirby has all this under control.
sucks to lose Fields. I hope Kirby has all this under control.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 12:27 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
That's funny that you should mention chemistry because CKS took Fromm out of the game many times throughout this past season to give Fields some reps. Chemistry didn't seem to be as much of a concern as Fields was being given chances to see action in place of our healthy starter that was improving greatly as the season progressed. I contend that it's likely one reason why Fromm seemed to struggle earlier in the season as he had to adjust to having Fields switch off with him throughout the game.
This definitely goes both ways since Fields wasn’t able to get in any sort of rhythm either. That being said, it’s obviously more important for your starting QB to get/stay in rhythm. Kirby did a very poor job of managing that IMO until after the LSU game where we decided to stick with Fromm. Not having to worry about being taken out for a series if you don’t play well is a nice mental confidence to have.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 12:44 pm to tissle
quote:There's more to being a QB than just potential. Fields was not the better QB this past season or else he would have played a bigger role for us. He may turn out to the a better QB but that's still to seen.
Fromm is a good QB. Fields will be a better QB.
quote:Agreed.
sucks to lose Fields. I hope Kirby has all this under control.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 12:47 pm to Dawgsontop34
quote:Very true. The backup is at a greater disadvantage in that regard, but that's why he needed to be exceptional if he was going to beat Fromm and he was not exceptional.
This definitely goes both ways since Fields wasn’t able to get in any sort of rhythm either.
When Fromm came in for Eason in that first game, he immediately made an impact. He was able to move the ball down the field in a way that Eason wasn't in his short time in there. That doesn't mean that Eason wouldn't have done the same thing, but that he started slow and Fromm started fast. Fields needed to do the same thing this season and he didn't do that. He played very well, but not well enough to accomplish his goals.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 1:02 pm to tissle
quote:
Fromm is a good QB. Fields will be a better QB.
sucks to lose Fields. I hope Kirby has all this under control.
Moronic statement
Posted on 1/16/19 at 1:06 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
FooManChoo
Foo, the Fields cocksuckers will never be happy. I bet they would even "secretly" pull for him to do better than Fromm if the teams meet in the playoffs/championship...
Posted on 1/16/19 at 1:09 pm to Spaceman Spiff
It’s strange how the Richt cocksuckers and the Fields cocksuckers are basically the same.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 1:29 pm to Spaceman Spiff
quote:I agree wholeheartedly. It's definitely reached a level of idolatry or religious belief in Fields.
Foo, the Fields cocksuckers will never be happy. I bet they would even "secretly" pull for him to do better than Fromm if the teams meet in the playoffs/championship...
I'm as much of a Fromm homer as anyone can be but I'm still beholden to reason. Apparently the same can't be said about many Fields worshipers.
I just don't get it. It's not like we had a Ramsey or Lambert at QB this past season.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 1:31 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
I just don't get it
Trolls, man.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 3:04 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
There's more to being a QB than just potential. Fields was not the better QB this past season or else he would have played a bigger role for us
You do realize that almost none of the Fields advocates said that he was the better QB for the 2018 team, right? People were taking the long view and wondering if an experienced Fields in 2019 and 2020 would be better than an experienced Fromm in 2019 and 2020.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 3:05 pm to Spaceman Spiff
quote:
Foo, the Fields cocksuckers will never be happy. I bet they would even "secretly" pull for him to do better than Fromm if the teams meet in the playoffs/championship...
This is one of the dumbest takes that I've ever seen posted on this board.
ETA: For the record, I think Fromm is a very, very good college QB. But you have to ask yourself if Fromm can keep up with a fully healthy Trevor Lawrence or Tua in a shootout.
This post was edited on 1/16/19 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 1/16/19 at 3:11 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
I agree wholeheartedly. It's definitely reached a level of idolatry or religious belief in Fields.
I'm as much of a Fromm homer as anyone can be but I'm still beholden to reason. Apparently the same can't be said about many Fields worshipers.
I just don't get it. It's not like we had a Ramsey or Lambert at QB this past season.
FIELDS was a DAWG. He committed to us when every team in the country wanted him outside of Clemson. Fields was the highest ranked QB to come out of High school in last 10 years w/ exception of Trevor Lawrence in the same class.
We had him....all Kirby/Chaney had to do was just manage the situation better and get Fields to his Sophmore year where there would have been time to sort all of this out.
No one is "worshiping" Fields - there was no plan and Kirby said as much. There's no one in the pipe on roster this year, next year nor anyone being recruited as good as Justin Fields.
The bungling of how Fields was handled could cost UGA a Natty in 2020-2021. If Fromm goes down in 2019, could cost us one then as well.
I'm a UGA alum (BBA '88) and been waiting a long time for a Natty. Kirby has us on the doorstep but it takes more than just a great roster to win the Natty - gotta have a great trigger man as well.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 3:22 pm to VADawg
quote:I'm quite aware that the desire was that Fields got more reps so he could come in and take over next season. I'm also aware that the assumption is that Fields in 2019 and 2020 would be better than Fromm in 2019 and 2020.
You do realize that almost none of the Fields advocates said that he was the better QB for the 2018 team, right? People were taking the long view and wondering if an experienced Fields in 2019 and 2020 would be better than an experienced Fromm in 2019 and 2020.
What that amounted to was wanting the coaches to stick the battle-tested and proficient starter on the sidelines with the hope that the rough-edged freshman would be the better QB the following year. IMO, that is unrealistic and stupid. You always play the best players when the game is on the line. You don't play a worse player today in the hopes that it will make him the better player tomorrow when you need to win the game today. That's why the backups get playing time in blowouts, because they can get real game action without risking the outcome of the game.
If Fields was really that concerned with growing and getting better for competing for the starting job in 2019, he would have taken a RS season or he would not have transferred. He wanted a guarantee to be the starter and Fromm is good enough to cast doubt on that outcome.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 3:24 pm to VADawg
quote:Or, say, a Heisman-winning QB like Baker Mayfield?
ETA: For the record, I think Fromm is a very, very good college QB. But you have to ask yourself if Fromm can keep up with a fully healthy Trevor Lawrence or Tua in a shootout.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 3:39 pm to FooManChoo
Gotta say I saw the new comments on this thread and thought why are we still talking about this kid for 6 pages now that he’s gone to Oklahoma, why give him all this air time? Then I come to the page just to see we’re STILL talking about Fields. I think Peter Buck told me a week ago, who cares?!
Posted on 1/16/19 at 3:40 pm to Long Dawg
quote:Yep, he was highly recruited and committed to the good guys. I wonder if he didn't expect the competition to be as difficult as it was.
FIELDS was a DAWG. He committed to us when every team in the country wanted him outside of Clemson. Fields was the highest ranked QB to come out of High school in last 10 years w/ exception of Trevor Lawrence in the same class.
quote:CKS and CJC allowed Fields into the game and potentially broke up the chemistry and rhythm of Fromm and the offense to make good on alleged promises of real playing time. He splitting reps with the 1's in practice, which was taking away practice reps from Fromm. That is a committment. What else should the coaches have done? Make Fields the co-starter? He got snaps in almost every game as the #2, and not just in blowouts. He got focus and attention and opportunities than any other backup in his same position. At some point you have to ask whether or not the "fault" of Fields being unhappy lies with Fields rather than with the coaches.
We had him....all Kirby/Chaney had to do was just manage the situation better and get Fields to his Sophmore year where there would have been time to sort all of this out.
quote:Obviously the word choice was hyperbole meant to highlight the faith-based comments about Fields. I highly doubt anyone here prays to Fields, those I haven't ruled out the possibility yet.
No one is "worshiping" Fields
quote:Yep. They were going to give Fields snaps when it felt right in the game. They were trying to balance winning the game with coddling Fields' ego to keep him on the team. I believe that was a mistake, and not because Fields transferred, but because it showed that CKS was willing to jeopardize the team to keep one player happy.
there was no plan and Kirby said as much.
quote:We're still going on the assumption that Fields would single-handedly bring us a national championship when he became the starter. I've said from the beginning that such talk is very premature. We don't know what the future holds. Fields might be the best player every to grace college football or he could be a major dud with a good arm and decent legs. We just don't know, and we were willing to throw our proven starting QB under the bus on a wing and a prayer. It's very much the UGA (fan base) way.
There's no one in the pipe on roster this year, next year nor anyone being recruited as good as Justin Fields.
The bungling of how Fields was handled could cost UGA a Natty in 2020-2021. If Fromm goes down in 2019, could cost us one then as well.
quote:It takes a lot of things to win a national championship. We won one in '80 with a QB that would be laughed off the field if he played today because we had a great defense and an exceptional running back. Everyone was hyping Tua all season because of his performance against us a year ago, and while he had a great season, it wasn't enough to beat Clemson because their defense played better than he did. Hell, even our defense played better than he did, and if it weren't for Hurts coming in and playing like a video game character we would have been in the playoffs. We had Bama on the ropes last year only to let them get back into it (again, because of their backup QB). If not for a defensive blunder in overtime, Fromm likely has a national championship as a freshman and we aren't having this pity party about Fields being the messiah that got away.
I'm a UGA alum (BBA '88) and been waiting a long time for a Natty. Kirby has us on the doorstep but it takes more than just a great roster to win the Natty - gotta have a great trigger man as well.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 3:41 pm to DJuga06
quote:I don't care about Fields at all. He's gone. I'm here to show the irrationality of those fans who are still here, crying about how Fields wasn't treated fairly by our coaching staff.
Gotta say I saw the new comments on this thread and thought why are we still talking about this kid for 6 pages now that he’s gone to Oklahoma, why give him all this air time? Then I come to the page just to see we’re STILL talking about Fields. I think Peter Buck told me a week ago, who cares?!
Posted on 1/16/19 at 3:48 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
If not for a defensive blunder in overtime, Fromm likely has a national championship as a freshma
Of course you ignore how ineffective he was to end that game in 2017. Just like 2018.
Latest Georgia News
Back to top
Follow SECRant for SEC Football News