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Culture change in UGA football
Posted on 9/17/16 at 6:13 am
Posted on 9/17/16 at 6:13 am
What's a realistic timeline for a "culture change" for the Dawgs? Besides getting qualify depth (read Bama style) across the board, is it a matter of getting new recruits so that they can be taught the "Smart way?" It seems - like we've seen in the physicality of the receivers discussion - that some (most?) players are still in the CMR mindset of doing things. Shitty mentality at practice, no leadership, etc., all proves the point. This team won't be a championship team until that shift is made...its not so much as Smart getting a free pass for being a new coach, it's changing the entire mindset of the team. Some are bashing him but he walked into a team that's been indoctrinated in the CMR way. What does it take to change this?
This post was edited on 9/17/16 at 6:15 am
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Posted on 9/17/16 at 6:17 am to Spaceman Spiff
Next year is the bast case scenario with another 3 being the worst IMO
Posted on 9/17/16 at 6:33 am to Spaceman Spiff
Facts are that we are not all that great of a football team. We've got talent but the team isn't there. Kirby needs at least 2 more recruiting classes before we can really see the direction of the program. In 2 years, Eason will also be a junior. That to me is when the pressure to bring a championship will be on Kirby.
Posted on 9/17/16 at 6:36 am to Spaceman Spiff
I think that's about right. The fact that we are playing a lot of freshman probably helps accelerate the process. As they become leaders of the team, they will set the tone and the culture in the facility.
I think it should be said that the culture Richt established wasn't objectively bad, it's just different than what smart is doing. I'm of the belief that smart's way is more likely to result in championships, but it will take some time to build that mentality.
I think it should be said that the culture Richt established wasn't objectively bad, it's just different than what smart is doing. I'm of the belief that smart's way is more likely to result in championships, but it will take some time to build that mentality.
Posted on 9/17/16 at 6:42 am to Spaceman Spiff
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So how come McElwain and Mahlzan were able to make this change in their 1st year? And KS can't?
Can we please just let this go and move on?
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This team won't be a championship team until that shift is made...its not so much as Smart getting a free pass for being a new coach, it's changing the entire mindset of the team
So how come McElwain and Mahlzan were able to make this change in their 1st year? And KS can't?
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but he walked into a team that's been indoctrinated in the CMR way.
Can we please just let this go and move on?
Posted on 9/17/16 at 6:48 am to RD Dawg
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how come McElwain and Mahlzan were able to make this change in their 1st year? And KS can't?
Mcelwain wasn't able to and Gus was more lucky than anything else, but he also ran an easy offensive system to run.
Posted on 9/17/16 at 6:53 am to Spaceman Spiff
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still in the CMR mindset of doing things.
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no leadership
Yup. CMR's teams never had any leadership.
Posted on 9/17/16 at 6:54 am to RD Dawg
He should be able to change the culture in 1yr. These are young, impressionable men who for the most part are eager to succeed and motivated to get to the NFL. It's not like 18-22 year olds are set in their ways.
Now culture and winning a championship can be two very different things. If he doesn't have the talent, depth, or coaching capability to win championships, the culture can be fantastic without winning one.
To me, the key is are they coming to play each and every week. Are they making adjustments during the games and week to week. Are we seeing leaders on the team emerge. Do the game plans make sense for the opponent. If the answers yes then he'll get a couple years before the pressure is fully on. If no, pressure will be on next year.
Now culture and winning a championship can be two very different things. If he doesn't have the talent, depth, or coaching capability to win championships, the culture can be fantastic without winning one.
To me, the key is are they coming to play each and every week. Are they making adjustments during the games and week to week. Are we seeing leaders on the team emerge. Do the game plans make sense for the opponent. If the answers yes then he'll get a couple years before the pressure is fully on. If no, pressure will be on next year.
Posted on 9/17/16 at 7:21 am to djsdawg
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Mcelwain wasn't able to
Huh?Got to the SECC in his 1st year,something Muschamp couldn't do in 4 year amd was also SEC COY.
We're talking about a culture change and BOTH accomplished it in their 1st year.
Auburn was coming off an 0-8 SEC season in 2012 and their worst season in history but he didn't turn the program around in his 1st year????
This post was edited on 9/17/16 at 7:22 am
Posted on 9/17/16 at 7:26 am to PDXDawg
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Now culture and winning a championship can be two very different things.
Absolutely correct and while I do expect us to contend for the SECe this year (there is enough talent)I don't really expect to legitimately compete for an SECC til '18.
Posted on 9/17/16 at 7:42 am to Spaceman Spiff
The term "culture change" is BS.
It already sounds like an excuse for losing this year.
"Oh, they were going through a 'culture change.'"
And then you blame last year's coach for this year's loss.
I am already tired about hearing the term culture change.
If Georgia loses this year, it is because the new coaches failed.
Currently, I don't care about next year. I care about this year.
It already sounds like an excuse for losing this year.
"Oh, they were going through a 'culture change.'"
And then you blame last year's coach for this year's loss.
I am already tired about hearing the term culture change.
If Georgia loses this year, it is because the new coaches failed.
Currently, I don't care about next year. I care about this year.
Posted on 9/17/16 at 8:03 am to Spaceman Spiff
Culture change will be done by end of season. Those not in will be out. Talent required to win, who knows. 2013 class is the gift that keeps on giving.
Posted on 9/17/16 at 8:07 am to WorkinDawg
Tom Herman explicitly credits the upperclassmen buying in wholesale to Houston's shift in perspective and consequently, results on the field. I would imagine the converse is true elsewhere.
Posted on 9/17/16 at 8:17 am to RD Dawg
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Got to the SECC in his 1st year,something Muschamp couldn't do in 4 year amd was also SEC COY.
Unlike muschamp, He had the benefit of playing in the worst east in the history of the east. That doesn't mean uf was a good team.
Posted on 9/17/16 at 8:19 am to RD Dawg
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Auburn was coming off an 0-8 SEC season in 2012 and their worst season in history but he didn't turn the program around in his 1st year????
No one said that. What are you talking about?
Posted on 9/17/16 at 8:31 am to Spaceman Spiff
I don't know about a culture change but mainly what we need is better recruiting; particularly need to reel in more key in-state players. If we are ever going to reach Alabama's level of success, we absolutely must recruit better in the trenches. When you have one of the top RB's in the nation limited to 80 yards vs Nicholls State, you know we have major issues with our OL.
Posted on 9/17/16 at 8:59 am to djsdawg
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Gus was more lucky than anything else
Good God,try to keep up for once.We were talking about winning and turning around a culutre in a
coaches first year.
There was nothing lucky about Mahlzan winning the Bama game.He put a guy in a posiztion to return a missed FG.
I get the part about the Ga game being somewhat lucky but even if he loses that game he still wins the SECw and SECC.
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Posted on 9/17/16 at 9:38 am to RD Dawg
If you are getting paid millions $, you need to change the culture 30 minutes after you get there.
Posted on 9/17/16 at 10:22 am to Spaceman Spiff
If CMR had been fired eight damn years ago,Like I said, we would already know the answer to this shite
Posted on 9/17/16 at 4:41 pm to Peter Buck
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you need to change the culture 30 minutes after you get there.
Unless you can use methods like this
it might take a bit longer than 30 minutes.
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