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re: Any updates on underclassmen leaving early?
Posted on 12/8/18 at 7:15 pm to DawgsLife
Posted on 12/8/18 at 7:15 pm to DawgsLife
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You're probably right.
No, Gilbert will be in the next class. he won't be here until fall of 2020, I believe. he wants to play TE. I would rather see him on defense, but that's just me.
Good catch, Bodhii!
Sorry, the railroad says I get to work third shift so I went to sleep after I posted. Gilbert is indeed who I was talking about.
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Posted on 12/8/18 at 7:51 pm to BoogerSykes
Harris is a Sr this year. Will be Charlie, Fitz, Ford and Goede next year. Not even worried about it if Nauta leaves.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 8:03 pm to DawgHolliday
We don't throw it to the TE enough to worry if 4 deep at the position is adequate.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 9:08 pm to VoxDawg
It does matter, especially when it comes to blocking. TE has a big role in run and pass blocking. Even Nauta was still a work in progress qhwm it came to blocking.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 9:23 pm to BoogerSykes
Te blocking matters. It might have cost us the sec title and a playoff shot.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 11:34 pm to djsdawg
Dj kunting up another thread. Shocked.
Posted on 12/9/18 at 12:45 am to Barstools
If you can watch 89’s “block” on our 1st down when it was tied at 28, do it. If not, quiet down.
Posted on 12/9/18 at 5:33 am to djsdawg
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If 89’s last name was smith, would anyone think he was good? No.
Yes.
quote:You don't think that could be a matter of having a deep TE class the last few years?
20 catches in 3 years
Posted on 12/9/18 at 5:34 am to RedFive
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Sorry, the railroad says I get to work third shift so I went to sleep after I posted. Gilbert is indeed who I was talking about.
Not at all. You asked a perfectly reasonable question. My mind just wasn't thinking about Gilbert.
Posted on 12/9/18 at 5:37 am to BoogerSykes
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It does matter, especially when it comes to blocking. TE has a big role in run and pass blocking. Even Nauta was still a work in progress qhwm it came to blocking.
This is true, which is another reason why I wonder why people think it is a huge concern
Again....I don't want Nauta to leave. I think we are a stronger team with him. But, until this year, he was not a good blocker, and the coaches limited him because of his work ethic. He is an excellent pass catcher, but we simply do not throw the ball to the TE's enough to worry that much about it...outside of the 2 minute drill, and Woerner can do that.
Posted on 12/9/18 at 5:39 am to djsdawg
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Te blocking matters. It might have cost us the sec title and a playoff shot.
Yes, it does.....and it might not have either? A fake punt might have.
The defenses inability to stop Bama in the 4th quarter might have.
I mean, we are going to wring our hands over "might", now?
If you can watch 89’s “block” on our 1st down when it was tied at 28, do it. If not, quiet down.
How many other players missed a block on that play? I mean, show me one play where somebody doesn't miss a block and I will show you a miracle. Don't pick one play and use it as an example, because football or life doesn't work that way.
And my original comment was that of all the juniors that could go early Nauta would probably be my choice because we were deep at TE. It's fine that you disagree with me, but don't act like we are not deep at TE.
This post was edited on 12/9/18 at 5:43 am
Posted on 12/9/18 at 8:02 am to DawgsLife
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How many other players missed a block on that play?
I didn’t see any others. It’s not that a better guy just beat him, which has happened to him often. It’s that He saw the guy, and literally chose to not engage him, and go after a guy further downfield. Fields had no chance to do anything. Using your idea that simply having players = so deep, I guess all teams are so deep. The drop off from nauta to 89 is huge.
Posted on 12/9/18 at 10:48 am to djsdawg
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I didn’t see any others.
That would have been a miracle, then. I have only seen one play in which all crucial blocks were made properly, and that only involved four players. (C,LG,LT. SE) That broke ofabout a 45-50 yard run. I am not saying you are wrong...just that it would be a highly unusual thing
quote:I would have to look at the play, but I do know some plays are drawn up where a TE would ignore a closer player to go after a LB or safety. I guess I need to look up the play to see.
and literally chose to not engage him, and go after a guy further downfield.
quote:Not me idea at all. but if you look almost all are 4* players.
Using your idea that simply having players = so deep
quote:Possibly. Possibly not. Nauta is not a great blocker, and that seems to be your main sticking point with Woerner.
The drop off from Nauta to 89 is huge.
Posted on 12/9/18 at 10:59 am to djsdawg
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If you can watch 89’s “block” on our 1st down when it was tied at 28, do it. If not, quiet down.
I just watched it...it looked like the play called for that (Which I doubt), or somebody had the wrong play.
It looked to me like Fields was supposed to read and either hand off to Holyfield or take the ball outside.
Bit again...you want to base all of this on one play? Obviously the coaches think Woerner is a stronger blocker than Nauta, or Nauta would have been in there.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 12:39 am to djsdawg
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Te blocking matters. It might have cost us the sec title and a playoff shot.
Wait, that would imply that the loss wasn't entirely Fromm and/or Kirby's fault....
Posted on 12/10/18 at 12:48 am to FaCubeItches
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Wait, that would imply that the loss wasn't entirely Fromm and/or Kirby's fault....
Fromm was 75% of the reason we were even close to winning that game.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 2:03 am to DawgsLife
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Obviously the coaches think Woerner is a stronger blocker than Nauta, or Nauta would have been in there.
Not necessarily. The starter cant play every snap.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 8:07 am to djsdawg
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Not necessarily. The starter cant play every snap.
True, but in a close game and on first down after a kickoff it isn't like Nauta needed a rest, right?
Look, sometimes I get dug into a position and forget to look at the big picture. While I think we could afford to lose Nauta easier than other positions, I in no way meant that I wanted to lose Nauta.
Of the positions that we have juniors that might jump, I just feel that TE is the position we could best afford to lose.
WR- we lose Godwin, Stanley and Crumpton definitely
We could also lose: Hardman and Ridley
RB-We lose nobody definitely
could lose: Herrien and Holyfield
DLine-we lose: Ledbetter and Hayes
Could lose: Tyler Clark, but very slim chance
TE-We definitely lose nobody
We could lose: Nauta
We are pretty loaded in depth everywhere else, with what we have coming in this class. That's why I made the statement I made.
This post was edited on 12/10/18 at 8:11 am
Posted on 12/10/18 at 1:19 pm to RedFive
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Fromm was 75% of the reason we were even close to winning that game.
True, but we also didn't score in the last 20+ minutes of the game, just like the national championship game. Fromm has to take some of the heat for that, as well as the heat for missing an open receiver, I believe the TE, that would have extended a drive, as well as sliding 2 yards short of a first down when he could have easily picked it up.
This post was edited on 12/10/18 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 12/10/18 at 3:17 pm to RedFive
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Fromm was 75% of the reason we were even close to winning that game.
Way to miss the point of the post. The criticism of the game has been almost entirely "Fromm fricking sucked balls" and/or "Kirby is a total idiot". Those sentiments may not be 100% accurate.
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