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Posted on 10/9/19 at 10:02 am
Posted on 10/9/19 at 10:02 am
What’s our problem converting short yardage & how should we fix it?
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Posted on 10/9/19 at 10:14 am to CalDawg
Teams basically stack the front and crash 9-10 guys up the gut. We run right up the gut. We lose the numbers game. I’m not saying we need to run a jet sweep with our smallest WR again, but I really like a fullback in short yardage situations because, if a LB does shoot the interior, the FB is far more likely to pick him up than the extra TE we put on the end of the line.
Basically, bring back the fricking fullback. Maybe I’m biased because I played fullback, but I feel like it’s easier for RB to follow behind a good lead blocker.
Basically, bring back the fricking fullback. Maybe I’m biased because I played fullback, but I feel like it’s easier for RB to follow behind a good lead blocker.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 10:18 am to CalDawg
Like Crispy said, we lose the numbers game.
I also don't think Fromm is a particularly good sneaker. He's never looked very comfortable or confident doing it. That hurts in really short yardage.
I also don't think Fromm is a particularly good sneaker. He's never looked very comfortable or confident doing it. That hurts in really short yardage.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 10:31 am to CalDawg
I know I have asked this before, but why are we running out of the shotgun instead of under center on those short-yardage plays? Seems like the RB getting to the line in only 3-4 yards beats getting there in 7.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 10:31 am to crispyUGA
A fullback would be nice. We also need to try to get one yard going pitch or off tackle so the defense plugging the middle bites them.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 10:32 am to Crowknowsbest
I like going on a fast snap count in short yardage situations. Don't give the defense time.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 10:42 am to claydawg09
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A fullback would be nice.
One thing I miss about Richt/Bobo. Sometimes they would run a FB dive, leave a man unblocked like in a Veer play, and the FB would sometimes spring for good yardage.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 10:46 am to CalDawg
Our problem is, Rodrigo, he is too automatic to risk not getting a 3 spot.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 10:47 am to UnderDog68
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why are we running out of the shotgun instead of under center on those short-yardage plays? Seems like the RB getting to the line in only 3-4 yards beats getting there in 7.
The thought is to spread out the defense, but when everybody knows we’re running the ball the defense is going to stack the box anyways.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 10:48 am to crispyUGA
Seems like it’s a perfect setup for bootleg or play action. Everyone is crashing the line
Posted on 10/9/19 at 10:57 am to claydawg09
There's an article about this very thing as of this morning.
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“It’s unacceptable, with the personnel they have, it should rarely happen,” ESPN analyst and Joe Moore Team Blocking Trophy voter Cole Cubelic said. “Get in a 4-point stance, get under center and go. Heck, put number 74 (Ben Cleveland) at fullback.
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Posted on 10/9/19 at 11:02 am to crispyUGA
I just want more runs to the outside instead of into the mass of humanity in the middle of the field.
Some of my favorite runs of Gurley/Chubb/Michel/Swift are where the drawn play blows up and their vision kicks in, heading to the other direction, or at least out toward the sidelines.
Some of my favorite runs of Gurley/Chubb/Michel/Swift are where the drawn play blows up and their vision kicks in, heading to the other direction, or at least out toward the sidelines.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 11:08 am to crispyUGA
Pretty much this. We're not being creative at all... We're bunching up and playing into what helps the defense, lose the numbers game.
You can approach it a few different ways... some that I've seen discussed that make sense.
1) go 3-4 wide and spread the defense out. If they over-commit to the run, then throw the damn ball and pick up a TD (works well pretty much everywhere but the redzone or pinned deep). If they don't, your all world OL now only has to block a *normal* number of defenders instead of getting overwhelmed with extra bodies.
2) bring back the FB so that if you are going to be stubborn and run into the teeth of the D, at least your lead blocker has a running start
3) "QB" sneaks... NOT in goal-line formation - this could be done with Wild-Dawg and/or Stetson Bennett much the same way we were successful running Fields this way last season. It doesn't matter that they more or less know he's running, it still offers a numbers advantage so long as you don't bunch all of your personnel to the interior allowing the defense to overcommit to the inside also.
You can approach it a few different ways... some that I've seen discussed that make sense.
1) go 3-4 wide and spread the defense out. If they over-commit to the run, then throw the damn ball and pick up a TD (works well pretty much everywhere but the redzone or pinned deep). If they don't, your all world OL now only has to block a *normal* number of defenders instead of getting overwhelmed with extra bodies.
2) bring back the FB so that if you are going to be stubborn and run into the teeth of the D, at least your lead blocker has a running start
3) "QB" sneaks... NOT in goal-line formation - this could be done with Wild-Dawg and/or Stetson Bennett much the same way we were successful running Fields this way last season. It doesn't matter that they more or less know he's running, it still offers a numbers advantage so long as you don't bunch all of your personnel to the interior allowing the defense to overcommit to the inside also.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 11:23 am to UnderDog68
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I know I have asked this before, but why are we running out of the shotgun instead of under center on those short-yardage plays? Seems like the RB getting to the line in only 3-4 yards beats getting there in 7.
Kirby brought up a good point when asked. If we're under center it takes away options and allows the DL to submarine our OL and get a better push. Out of the option they have to stay balanced and can't submarine our OL.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 11:29 am to Dawgsontop34
But we’re not spreading them out when we go short yardage shotgun. The whole team is still bunched in the middle.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 11:32 am to CalDawg
One of the websites had numbers for short yardage situation.
The further out you stretch the play, the percentages go way down (a defender shooting the a gap can just as easily stop a play in the backfield stretching to the B gap. A defender shooting the b gap can stop plays in the a and c gap very easily. The percentages are always in favor of running up the middle.
If you want to be effective, then you can't allow penetration. Be it numbers... or low man wins... we are losing the battle when it comes to penetration. Hill is not the best when firing off the snap. Having Shaffer is not the best when firing off the snap. Unfortunately, these were our interior linemen on Saturday.
The further out you stretch the play, the percentages go way down (a defender shooting the a gap can just as easily stop a play in the backfield stretching to the B gap. A defender shooting the b gap can stop plays in the a and c gap very easily. The percentages are always in favor of running up the middle.
If you want to be effective, then you can't allow penetration. Be it numbers... or low man wins... we are losing the battle when it comes to penetration. Hill is not the best when firing off the snap. Having Shaffer is not the best when firing off the snap. Unfortunately, these were our interior linemen on Saturday.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 11:33 am to crispyUGA
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Basically, bring back the fricking fullback. Maybe I’m biased because I played fullback, but I feel like it’s easier for RB to follow behind a good lead blocker.
There are so many things that you can do with a fullback. It seems obvious to me. These troubles all started cropping up when we went away from it.
I'm with you.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 12:08 pm to CalDawg
It's simply a matter of mixing it up a bit. I'd like to think they want to save it and surprise teams later in the year with a play action and/or quick out, step-slant, flat route.
However, I do think having in game reps is important.
However, I do think having in game reps is important.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 12:11 pm to chillmonster
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However, I do think having in game reps is important.
It is only important if the defenses are giving you the same look.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 12:22 pm to meansonny
A dual-threat QB would come in handy...sorry couldn’t help myself..??
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