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re: 2020 Recruiting Thread (SVP and Broderick Jones stay committed to the G)

Posted on 8/22/19 at 11:11 pm to
Posted by TideSaint
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Posted on 8/22/19 at 11:11 pm to
Antonio Alfano was back at practice today.

Just passing along some information.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 8/22/19 at 11:11 pm to
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You don't think Gilbert is going to be a big time player at a big time program? Short of injury that is as close to a given as you can get.


There's a massive difference between being a good player and what you said

quote:

"If we miss he's gonna be like D Brown, D Watson, and T Lawrence. "

D Brown... Wouldn't have been a big deal except we've struggled at DL for some time now. If the differential were lower between what we got and D. Brown, I wouldn't care. Thus far, D. Brown has had zero impact on our ultimate goals as a team, but he could have been a huge difference maker on our roster. Certainly more so than a TE.

D. Watson... Arguably one of Richt's biggest misses... Definitely would not put a TE/WR in the same realm as an elite program-changing QB

T. Lawrence... Again, same caveat... No TE is as important as a program changing QB... with that said, T. Lawrence would have likely been in the transfer portal after last season as well in the event that he didn't surpass Fromm... I'm not too torn up about missing him, but I still wouldn't say that I envision a scenario where missing on a TE is as critical as this level of QB.
Posted by WorkinDawg
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Posted on 8/22/19 at 11:26 pm to
I didn’t say anything about a TE vs QB. My point was it would be another elite kid from ga who goes elsewhere and likely gets a ton of national recognition. Guys like the 3 mentioned don’t come around often. Gilbert is that kind of talent

If D Brown were at UGA I suspect we’d have a CFP trophy, which certainly impacts our ultimate goals
Posted by Dawgsontop34
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Posted on 8/22/19 at 11:32 pm to
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If D Brown were at UGA I suspect we’d have a CFP trophy,


Ok, man.
Posted by WorkinDawg
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Posted on 8/22/19 at 11:38 pm to
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Ok, man.


He looked pretty dam good against Bama that year. All we needed was a single stop. Far fetched to think an AA DT might’ve made a difference?
Posted by Dawgsontop34
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Posted on 8/22/19 at 11:41 pm to
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He looked pretty dam good against Bama that year. All we needed was a single stop. Far fetched to think an AA DT might’ve made a difference?


We easily could have lost to OU though. Tyler Clark was a man in that game and who knows if he would have seen the field as much if Brown was out there.

I’m not saying he isn’t talent. It is just dumb to me to say that one non-QB recruit is or isn’t the difference in a National Championship when we have zero idea.
Posted by WorkinDawg
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Posted on 8/22/19 at 11:44 pm to
Which is why I said “suspect”, cause we’ll never know. He plays for auburn. Although I’m pretty sure I’m right ;)
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 8/22/19 at 11:45 pm to
stahp it.. you're embarrassing yourself.

You said, it would be like those 3 players...

I would rate those players as this:

1) D. Watson - transcendent talent - absolutely regret missing on the kid - would have meant we never saw Greyson Lambert suit up in Athens and I'd have been ok with that. No offense to the kid.

2) D Brown - elite player at a position that has typically been weak or thin for us... Wish we'd landed him, not certain that having him would have made any difference in outcomes of important losses though. Don't see him being the difference between W/L against Bama. *Maybe* against LSU, but our bigger issue was we couldn't play offense that day. Texas once Davis went down might have gone better but at that point, the "important" aspect is gone...

To be clear. I regret missing him, but I don't think having him changes any ultimate goals.

3) T. Lawrence - would not be on our roster in 2019 if he didn't take the job from Fromm last year... either scenario, we're ultra thin at QB as one or the other transfers in all likelihood


To put Gilbert in that mold of regretted loss, he'd either have to be a nearly 1k yard receiver at WR, or a 500+ yard receiver at TE while remaining a key contributor as a blocker. I just don't see it. As I said... if I'm wrong, bump my post in 2-3 years and I'll be happy to eat my crow.
This post was edited on 8/22/19 at 11:47 pm
Posted by WorkinDawg
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Posted on 8/22/19 at 11:48 pm to
Good grief. You’re arguing with me about what I meant in a post I wrote? You’re something else
Posted by Dawgsontop34
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Posted on 8/22/19 at 11:50 pm to
I like Gilbert a lot. Think he’s an absolute stud. Missing on him is nowhere near missing on those other guys, unless we completely miss out at the TE position.

And Workin, I’m not trying to crap on you for liking Brown. I really wish we would have ended up with him. It’s just an absurd hypothetical because so much would have changed if he came to UGA. Also, we went through a coaching change that recruiting season I’m pretty certain so I can’t really fault Kirby for that one.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 8/22/19 at 11:50 pm to
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Antonio Alfano was back at practice today.

Just passing along some information.


I'd rather that he wasn't... But there's still time. Transfer portal is always open. :troll:
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 8/22/19 at 11:52 pm to
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You’re arguing with me about what I meant in a post I wrote?

False.. I'm arguing contrary to what you *typed*... If you just want to know whether I agree that he'll be a big time player somewhere, we've got no disagreement... I've said as much over and over. I just disagree that he will be some hugely regretted miss.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 8/22/19 at 11:57 pm to
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I like Gilbert a lot. Think he’s an absolute stud.

Absolutely this... In a vacuum, if I get to just pick a team, he's in my picks for this class... but the margin between Gilbert and DW and TJ is not so big that I just ignore all of the context of the situation.

I said a month or two ago at this point, if I had to pick a duo I want DW + TJ >>> AG and Cam Large/??

If we miss on Gilbert *and* miss on DW & TJ, then I'd say he might fall into that bucket because there definitely isn't a TE of that caliber on the roster in 2020 as far as I can tell...
Posted by Dawgsontop34
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Posted on 8/23/19 at 12:14 am to
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I said a month or two ago at this point, if I had to pick a duo I want DW + TJ >>> AG and Cam Large/??


I said that the other day as well. I’d rather get both those guys than just AG (I think Large is more like Seither where I don’t see him being a contributor at UGA)
Posted by WorkinDawg
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Posted on 8/23/19 at 12:16 am to
You took 10 words and wrote 3 paragraphs. Which is your interpretation of what you thought I meant. When further explained you argued again. I played and coached football for 20 years and am involved to a lesser degree today. I’m not comparing game impact of a TE vs 2 ncaa champ QB’s. That’s ludicrous. And D Brown doesn’t fit your own narrative fwiw. But he does for mine. A special talent that doesn’t go to UGA. That’s it. NOTHING MORE.

I’m done hijacking this thread. Feel free to correct me again on what I meant. Seems a special skill of yours.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 8/23/19 at 12:25 am to
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I said that the other day as well

Oh yeah... I saw you hijacking my brain again...

My thought on Large is that I don't see him bringing anything to the roster that isn't already satisfied by guys on the roster already *or* a guy that we could get as a PWO.
Posted by Dawgsontop34
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Posted on 8/23/19 at 12:32 am to
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I played and coached football for 20 years and am involved to a lesser degree today


You could absolutely know your stuff, but this doesn’t guarantee you do. I have friends who played in college or the pros but don’t understand the game in some respects as well as some guys I know who didn’t play a down of high school ball.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 8/23/19 at 12:34 am to
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I played and coached football for 20 years and am involved to a lesser degree today.

Congratulations?

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I’m not comparing game impact of a TE vs 2 ncaa champ QB’s. That’s ludicrous. And D Brown doesn’t fit your own narrative fwiw. But he does for mine. A special talent that doesn’t go to UGA. That’s it. NOTHING MORE.

I'm not sure how the following statement could be taken as anything other than you believe missing on Gilbert is a similar caliber miss as D. Watson or T. Lawrence...

"I get that. But no team, regardless of system, is worse for having Gilbert on the roster. If we miss he's gonna be like D Brown, D Watson, and T Lawrence."

Maybe it's my limited grasp of the English language... but if there was context lacking there, you had the opportunity to add it. I literally said from the first post that I'm of a different opinion but if I'm wrong I'll eat my crow. I am able to acknowledge when I'm wrong... it does seem to be a pretty special skill.


ETA: In reading back, this is an example of clarifying context:
I said: "Thus far, D. Brown has had zero impact on our ultimate goals as a team"

What I intended to imply there was specifically in reference to D. Brown as a player at Auburn... thus the subsequent comment "but he could have been a huge difference maker on our roster. " (emphasis added)
This post was edited on 8/23/19 at 12:39 am
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
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Posted on 8/23/19 at 6:57 am to
Gilbert is a phenomenal athlete and a great TE. But he’s not a program changer like Watson and Lawrence, especially if we land Washington and Johnson.

And if he wants to only flex out what can he provide that someone like Pickens can’t
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 8/23/19 at 7:24 am to
Exactly... As someone else noted on the thread on the recruiting board... He's 250 right now... And by most accounts it's a pretty damn lean 250. Given time in college S&C, he's going to put on weight and he's already not super fast... He could potentially still bulk himself out of receiving altogether and need to transition to defense...

Presumably Pickens has one of the WR slots pretty well locked in for 2020 and 2021 barring injury. He's not a burner himself, so you have to think that at the other outside WR spot we are looking for a speedier guy to help take the top off occasionally if not at least clear portions of the field.

So for him to see the field with any regularity, it seems like it has to be in a TE role, even if he gets flexed out sometimes.
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