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VagueMessage
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You know who feels really shitty right now? USC fans.
Orgeron proved he was up for the job in 2013, the same way he proved to LSU he was up for it in 2016, only LSU listened. I almost wouldn't blame them for passing on a great coach who wasn't a cultural fit if they didn't settle for Clay Helton of all people.

Could have been you, USC. Could have been you a couple of times with that soft-ass Pac 12 schedule.


CarolinaGamecock99
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re: You know who feels really shitty right now? USC fans.
Now they have the 76th ranked recruiting class and a administration that doesn’t care about football


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bamabenny
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re: You know who feels really shitty right now? USC fans.
To be fair, Orgeon's resume up until then was absolute ass.

LSU gave him a chance because "he's one of dem" and they really didn't have anywhere else to go.


STATEofMIND
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re: You know who feels really shitty right now? USC fans.
Thinking the same about thing. They didn’t have a clue and honestly neither did a lot of us.


VagueMessage
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re: You know who feels really shitty right now? USC fans.
Sure, no one could have known he'd turn out to do as well as he had. But I said even back then that USC could do better than Clay Helton, and if that's the route they were going, they might as well have just stuck with Orgeron. Either way you cut it, they squandered an opportunity to be relevant again.


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VagueMessage
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re: You know who feels really shitty right now? USC fans.
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LSU gave him a chance because "he's one of dem" and they really didn't have anywhere else to go


Les Miles wasn't doing poorly at LSU, he was just stagnant. This was a crucial hire for LSU. You can't fire a guy who's winning 10 games a year and replace him with a dud. Hiring any coach is a leap of faith to some degree, but LSU didn't hire Ed Orgeron just because he was a marble-mouthed Cajun and they got a kick out of it. The dude is a great coach, and LSU is a place primed to make great coaches into champions. LSU saw it, USC didn't because they're stuck up.


PortCityTiger82
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re: You know who feels really shitty right now? USC fans.
Yeah and I get that but after the way he finished the season after taking over as interim should’ve gotten him the job over Helton at least.


VagueMessage
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Member since Jun 2013
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re: You know who feels really shitty right now? USC fans.
Exactly. Orgeron went 6–2 with a respectable loss to a good Notre Dame team. Helton went 1–0 in a bowl, had no prior experience, and he somehow gets the job?


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SpartyGator
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re: You know who feels really shitty right now? USC fans.
Him not getting the job I understood if they went a different direction. But they settled for Sarkisian. Otherwise I thought he deserved to be the HC at SC.
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CBandits82
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re: You know who feels really shitty right now? USC fans.
it really hurt Ed when they passed on him, hurt him deeply.

holy shite what a ride man.

wow.


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re: You know who feels really shitty right now? USC fans.
The Hollywood elitists thought he talked funny.


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VagueMessage
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re: You know who feels really shitty right now? USC fans.
I decided to go look for myself

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Srobi14
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re: You know who feels really shitty right now? USC fans.
There's no guarantee he would have even been successful over there, he has improved every year he has been here for due to different circumstances that may or may not have happened at USC.


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Dandy Lion
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re: You know who feels really shitty right now? USC fans.
It did. I'm very happy for coach O. Very.


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TrueLefty
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re: You know who feels really shitty right now? USC fans.
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LSU gave him a chance because "he's one of dem" and they really didn't have anywhere else to go


Les Miles wasn't doing poorly at LSU, he was just stagnant. This was a crucial hire for LSU. You can't fire a guy who's winning 10 games a year and replace him with a dud. Hiring any coach is a leap of faith to some degree, but LSU didn't hire Ed Orgeron just because he was a marble-mouthed Cajun and they got a kick out of it. The dude is a great coach, and LSU is a place primed to make great coaches into champions. LSU saw it, USC didn't because they're stuck up.



You do not see USC as the same as LSU? Coach O was more comfortable at his own State than at USC. He might not have made it at USC due to different location and culture.


VagueMessage
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re: You know who feels really shitty right now? USC fans.
Orgeron didn't leave USC to be LSU's HC. He got passed up for a rightful promotion to full-time USC HC and left to be LSU's DL coach. I don't think O would ever choose USC over LSU, but he would take USC's HC over LSU's DL coach with lightning speed if they called him up after they fired Sark. Instead, they went with Clay Helton. He didn't go to LSU to bide his time to become HC. Miles was doing fine when he first arrived. He didn't even get promoted to DC before he got the HC gig.

It's true that he may not have succeeded at USC. We'll never know. All I know is it's looking like he was USC's best shot, and they let a NC-winning coach go because of what was most likely stupid west coast politics.


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Utah_CUtiger
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re: You know who feels really shitty right now? USC fans.
No guarantee he wouldn't done the exact same at USC. I don't trust that USC wouldn't given him the patience or resources


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labamafan
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re: You know who feels really shitty right now? USC fans.
I wish I could pull up all the very old posts I made about LSu having the coach they needed on their staff with Ed O. They laughed and down voted me. Anyone with a brain could see how good a job he had done at USC.


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TenWheelsForJesus
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re: You know who feels really shitty right now? USC fans.
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To be fair, Orgeon's resume up until then was absolute ass.


Somewhat true. But that's not the reason they gave for not hiring him. They said he didn't fit in with the USC donors' culture. They said he didn't talk right. That he wasn't a country club chode. They completely ignored all the players that wanted and respected him as the coach. Their loss, LSU's gain.


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