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re: Matthew Thomas is seeking release from his FSU scholarship
Posted on 5/6/13 at 6:12 pm to GurleyManandProud020
Posted on 5/6/13 at 6:12 pm to GurleyManandProud020
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Are you a effing dumbass I just posted his quote that you replied to that in his own words said he didn't know where he wanted to go at that time.
That happens ALL the time. Not shocking. There is very little difference between top end schools.
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One thing we do know is he doesn't want to play for FSU.
All we have is one article. No one knows how this is going to turn out.
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Posted on 5/6/13 at 6:18 pm to TheOcean
Didn't say I knew how it was going to turnout. All I said was he said in his own words that he didn't know where he wanted to go and yet somehow you know he wanted to go to USC.
This post was edited on 5/6/13 at 6:19 pm
Posted on 5/6/13 at 6:20 pm to GurleyManandProud020
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All I said was he said in his own words that he didn't know where he wanted to go and yet somehow you know he wanted to go to USC.
As I said before. He wanted USC, his mom wanted FSU. This was well known the days leading up to NSD.
Don't be mad he won't be going to UGA.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 6:23 pm to TheOcean
I could care less if he goes to UGA or not, but I'll take his words for it, rather than some internet genius who doesn't even know the kid. And please reread my posts and tell me where I said he wanted to go to UGA. I'll wait for your reply.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 6:36 pm to GurleyManandProud020
Here's what is going to happen. FSU will grant his release but block UGA, USC, UF, and the ACC. Bamas coaches change their mind on him and he comes to bama. Everybody happy.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 6:38 pm to TreyAnastasio
I honestly don't care where he goes (if it does happen). I just want him to suffer the penalty which would be one year of eligibility and another year of waiting.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 6:59 pm to TheOcean
quote:But why? Just seems like a selfish point of view to make. Like you said, he's an 18 yr old kid, he probably didn't know where he wanted to go on NSD and was pressured to make a decision. I know that he isn't following the rules to the T like most kids but to say you want him to be punished regardless is too much coming from internet recruiting junkies like us.
I honestly don't care where he goes (if it does happen). I just want him to suffer the penalty which would be one year of eligibility and another year of waiting.
No matter where he ends up, I want the young man to be able to play, period. It's the right thing to wish upon a kid, his family, and his future family. It's not like he's trying to get out of a terrible situation with the law/arrest. He messed up his decision and he wants to play football, just not at FSU, point blank.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 7:00 pm to CBizWRECKIN
Ya, he should be able to play this year.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 7:08 pm to CBizWRECKIN
This has nothing to do with FSU - it's a principle of any contract. If you breach, you are subject to the consequences. The consequences are extremely clear for any student athlete who signs a LOI.
Plenty of recruits get cold feet on NSD and are not sure where they want to go - but if you allow recruits to just back out of their contractual duties, there is absolutely no point of an LOI.
Like I said before, how many contracts have you signed that did not have a clause stating what the penalties are if you breach?
Plenty of recruits get cold feet on NSD and are not sure where they want to go - but if you allow recruits to just back out of their contractual duties, there is absolutely no point of an LOI.
Like I said before, how many contracts have you signed that did not have a clause stating what the penalties are if you breach?
This post was edited on 5/6/13 at 7:09 pm
Posted on 5/6/13 at 7:11 pm to TheOcean
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This has nothing to do with FSU - it's a principle of any contract. If you breach, you are subject to the consequences. The consequences are extremely clear for any student athlete who signs a LOI.
Plenty of recruits get cold feet on NSD and are not sure where they want to go - but if you allow recruits to just back out of their contractual duties, there is absolutely no point of an LOI.
Like I said before, how many contracts have you signed that did not have a clause stating what the penalties are if you breach?
Well, a minor can get out of pretty much any contract as long as the other party is restored to the previous state. He was 17 when he signed, so he was a minor. I'm not sure how a LOI would work in this context.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 7:14 pm to Crowknowsbest
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Well, a minor can get out of pretty much any contract as long as the other party is restored to the previous state.
Yeah, no. Sports and entertainment contracts are going to be binding unless there are some exigent circumstances like bargaining power, duress, etc.
Btw - I (you) would not advise anyone that minors can get out of just about every K. That simply is not true.
This post was edited on 5/6/13 at 7:15 pm
Posted on 5/6/13 at 7:16 pm to TheOcean
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This has nothing to do with FSU - it's a principle of any contract. If you breach, you are subject to the consequences. The consequences are extremely clear for any student athlete who signs a LOI.
I'm guessing we're safe to assume that Thomas either has a law degree or a family lawyer to brief him of this legalese?
Jesus, francis, this is a high school kid and an uninformed parent who made a mistake by signing a letter of intent that basically says "save some of your football money to pay for my school, please" without understanding the ramifications of what might happen if they ever wanted out.
Preaching this "breach of contract" garbage sounds fine in theory, but the reality is that it is both unrealistic and a lose-lose situation for both the kid and for FSU.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 7:18 pm to TheOcean
quote:Correct, and I agree but my argument wasn't toward him breaching his "contract." It was toward you wishing punishment on a minor that was pressured into a situation that is really not a huge deal.
it's a principle of any contract
Personally, how would you feel if you were MT? IMO, Jimbo will handle this the right way whatever that may be. And I think most of us would agree that it isn't like this situation will start being abused by prospects just because of what is happening right now.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 7:20 pm to tylerdurden24
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I'm guessing we're safe to assume that Thomas either has a law degree or a family lawyer to brief him of this legalese? Jesus, francis, this is a high school kid and an uninformed parent who made a mistake by signing a letter of intent that basically says "save some of your football money to pay for my school, please" without understanding the ramifications of what might happen if they ever wanted out.
What? These kids can hire a lawyer or just contact the school's legal departments to figure out the specifics. Or you could just read the LOI.
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Preaching this "breach of contract" garbage sounds fine in theory, but the reality is that it is both unrealistic and a lose-lose situation for both the kid and for FSU.
How is it a lose-lose? How can you have a LOI and not enforce it? With no enforcement, there's no point in having LOIs.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 7:21 pm to CBizWRECKIN
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Correct, and I agree but my argument wasn't toward him breaching his "contract." It was toward you wishing punishment on a minor that was pressured into a situation that is really not a huge deal.
Pressure? That's normal on NSD. I mean, recruits cry when they're making a decision because it's just that tough.
I'm not wishing punishment on anyone. If you can't enforce a contract, there is absolutely no point in having one.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 7:22 pm to TheOcean
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Yeah, no. Sports and entertainment contracts are going to be binding unless there are some exigent circumstances like bargaining power, duress, etc.
How is a LOI the same as a professional sports or entertainment contract? The student has not began accepting money by enrolling. An LOI is not much more than an RSVP for a scholarship he/she has yet to claim.
Is it an inconvenience to the host (FSU) and will there be consequences for not making good on that RSVP? Sure, but you're acting like this is a legal issue with defined ramifications. This is all just a matter of protocol now - there are NCAA mandated ways of dealing with these situations and FSU just gets to choose the "punishment" for not making good on the RSVP by dictating where Thomas cannot go.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 7:23 pm to tylerdurden24
It is a legal issue with defined ramifications - it's just created by the NCAA and enforced by the NCAA. Any contract still has to be in line with American contract laws.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 7:29 pm to TheOcean
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These kids can hire a lawyer
Some of my high school students can't even afford a home computer, so I'm going to disagree.
quote:Could, but how many high school kids or their parents actually do? Not saying it's right, but you're assuming that we should be punishing kids by making them go to a school they don't want to go to all because they signed a piece of paper they had no business signing.
Or you could just read the LOI.
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How is it a lose-lose? How can you have a LOI and not enforce it? With no enforcement, there's no point in having LOIs.
FSU can enforce it by letting him out but restricting where he goes. But making him stick to it just causes strife in the locker room. The kid doesn't want to go and doesn't want to report to campus. Who would want a 5* player giving less than 10% effort?
Posted on 5/6/13 at 7:37 pm to tylerdurden24
If a student athlete does not want to sign a LOI, there are other options. If he didn't want to sign, he shouldn't have signed.
Not to mention the LOI penalties are common knowledge (not the exact specifics). I'd bet every recruit knows that there are potential penalties for trying to back out of a LOI.
That's fine. He can sit out a year and then transfer wherever he wants to. Pretty simple.
Not to mention the LOI penalties are common knowledge (not the exact specifics). I'd bet every recruit knows that there are potential penalties for trying to back out of a LOI.
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The kid doesn't want to go and doesn't want to report to campus. Who would want a 5* player giving less than 10% effort?
That's fine. He can sit out a year and then transfer wherever he wants to. Pretty simple.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 7:44 pm to TheOcean
Has anyone ever told you that you are a miserable fricking person? You should be ashamed that you want a confused 18 year old kid to be punished for letting his mom pressure him.
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