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MillerLiteTime
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re: Would Houston Nutt have been able to achieve the same level of success at Clemson?
Houston Nutt might be the most underrated SEC coach of the modern era. He made Arkansas a team people hated to play. Nearly every game they played, they had a solid chance to win. Nutt's Arkansas was the Wisconsin of the SEC. It wasn't flashy or fancy, but you had better bring your A game or you would get your arse whipped by their OL and HBs/FB. No one relished having to stop DMC, Felix Jones, and Peyton Hillis for 60 minutes.


Porky
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re: Would Houston Nutt have been able to achieve the same level of success at Clemson?
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Would Houston Nutt have been able to achieve the same level of success at Clemson?

No.

Hootie would have a couple of good years but even with the best players, he would find a way to screw it up.

But he's a great motivator.


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Porky
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re: Would Houston Nutt have been able to achieve the same level of success at Clemson?
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It wasn't flashy or fancy, but you had better bring your A game or you would get your arse whipped by their OL and HBs/FB. No one relished having to stop DMC, Felix Jones, and Peyton Hillis for 60 minutes.

That team was loaded to the hilt with talent.


dchog
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re: Would Houston Nutt have been able to achieve the same level of success at Clemson?
Still didn't win anything of significance and didn't win even a bowl game. But 18-16.


Porky
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re: Would Houston Nutt have been able to achieve the same level of success at Clemson?
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Still didn't win anything of significance and didn't win even a bowl game.

It was typical Hootie. Team was loaded with talent but started the 2007 season 0-3 in the SEC, losing to Alabama, Kentucky, and Auburn. I knew his fate was sealed by the time we played Tennessee.


Mithridates6
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re: Would Houston Nutt have been able to achieve the same level of success at Clemson?
Not enough passing threat. Marcus Monk and Damien Williams should've provided that but unfortunately I don't remember that materializing for yall often


dchog
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re: Would Houston Nutt have been able to achieve the same level of success at Clemson?
Nutt is good for losing 2-3 winnable games a year. That list is a good example. The Alabama game, they were getting destroyed because the team didn't prepare. Arkansas stormed back but lost on something stupid, I don't remember.

Kentucky game was ugly and I think McFadden was hurt.

Auburn won and didn't even score a touchdown.

The Tennessee game, they didn't show up.


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dchog
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re: Would Houston Nutt have been able to achieve the same level of success at Clemson?
Arkansas was 8-0 when Mitch Mustain was the starter. He didn't put up good stats but he was moving the chains and they were no longer one dimensional.

Against South Carolina, Nutt had the quick trigger. After one interception Mustain was pulled. Casey Dick came in and won and the next game. But the passing game was getting worse. Casey Dick had 11 yards passing 0 touchdowns and three picks against LSU. Worst stats that I have seen from a quarterback and they went on a three game losing streak to the season.


Porky
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re: Would Houston Nutt have been able to achieve the same level of success at Clemson?
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Arkansas was 8-0 when Mitch Mustain was the starter. He didn't put up good stats but he was moving the chains and they were no longer one dimensional.

Against South Carolina, Nutt had the quick trigger. After one interception Mustain was pulled. Casey Dick came in and won and the next game. But the passing game was getting worse. Casey Dick had 11 yards passing 0 touchdowns and three picks against LSU. Worst stats that I have seen from a quarterback and they went on a three game losing streak to the season.

And this kind of thing is a good example of how Hootie came to be known as the "quarterback killa".

Casey Dick performed much better under Petrino IMO.


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Mithridates6
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re: Would Houston Nutt have been able to achieve the same level of success at Clemson?
That backfield plus Mustain throwing to Damien Williams could've been scary in 2007, instead both ended up at USC. With how mediocre the west was in 2007-08 not a stretch to say that yall could've had one or even two more trips to Atlanta


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JesusQuintana
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re: Would Houston Nutt have been able to achieve the same level of success at Clemson?
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No he wouldn't do any better than Miles. Actually he would underachieve even more . Schools don't recruit themselves because coaches still have to go out and get the players and if they are lazy, the results on the field will show.


Schools definitely recruit themselves. Coaches have some effect, but it’s overwhelmingly the program itself.

I could walk into LSU tomorrow and pull a top 10 class no problem


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cubsfan5150
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re: Would Houston Nutt have been able to achieve the same level of success at Clemson?
Loaded with talent means that you have a very good QB and WRs that can actually get open, not just out jump some cb.

Yes, the OL and D were good and the RBs were great, but there was very little talent at WR and QB


cubsfan5150
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re: Would Houston Nutt have been able to achieve the same level of success at Clemson?
Mustain sucked balls but Williams was legit


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cubsfan5150
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re: Would Houston Nutt have been able to achieve the same level of success at Clemson?
No defense was scared of mustain. He should have lost us the vandy game, but vandy defenders can couldn't catch.

With a good QB, that was a national title contending team, but alas we're Arkansas and we can't put it all together at once.


Mithridates6
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re: Would Houston Nutt have been able to achieve the same level of success at Clemson?
Monk seemed like a bball player trying to be WR, apparently he was drafted tho


gohogs141
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Member since Jun 2011
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re: Would Houston Nutt have been able to achieve the same level of success at Clemson?
Monk was a really good WR but had a knee injury that he never really recovered from and didn’t last long in the NFL. Similar story to another former WR Greg Childs who was putting up numbers right along with AJ Green and Alshon Jeffery around 2009-10 before he tore both knees up.

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Nutt would've been much better at LSU than Piles, he won three straight against that idiot from 2007-09 and it could've easily been more (safety in 2005, kickoff return in 2006 and 2010 was down to the wire).


Nutt’s last season was 2007, 2008-2011 was Petrino. Arkansas won a close one in 2008, LSU won a close one in 2009 in OT, Arkansas won in 2010 for the Sugar Bowl bid, and then LSU won big in 2011.

Still not sure why we kicked it to Trindon Holliday in that 2006 game. We had just taken all the momentum with an 80 yard TD run by McFadden to give us the lead and then gave it right back. I vividly remember that play and then another where we had TWO defensive linemen hanging on to JaMarcus Russell and that strong SOB still somehow found a way to drop it off to the RB for a first down on 3rd and long


dchog
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re: Would Houston Nutt have been able to achieve the same level of success at Clemson?
But that was the problem. I didn't expect Mustain to put up big numbers as a freshman. It was rare for many true freshman to start even for that time. He asked before the season to redshirt because he wasn't ready. But Casey Dick hurt his back and Robert Johnson was terrible. So he started when he wasn't ready. It didn't help he got caught up in between Gus and Nutt over control of the offense.

When Casey was back, Nutt had no need for Mustain as he didn't really want him here. Yet Casey had the worst day as quarterback in Arkansas history against LSU. Surely Mustain could have done better than 11 yards passing?
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CU_Tigers4life
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re: Would Houston Nutt have been able to achieve the same level of success at Clemson?
NOPE. Dabo is an anomaly that shouldn't have happened. He was a cheap band aid because Tommy Bowden's payout was high and Clemson was looking for a transitional guy. Dabo was never a coordinator...just a position coach. This is just a case of the perfect storm.

Houston Nutt would have been another Tommy Bowden. Mediocre.
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Tornado Alley
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Member since Mar 2012
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re: Would Houston Nutt have been able to achieve the same level of success at Clemson?
Clemson is a tremendous program right now. However, it cannot be ignored they've benefited from a weak ACC.

The second best team in the ACC in 2019 was a 9-5 Virginia team whose best win was over an 8-win Virginia Tech team.

The second best team in the ACC in 2018 was Syracuse. Sure, we all liked to see the Orange win again. However, they were merely above average. Of note, Syracuse was walloped by Notre Dame 36-3 in 2018.

2017 is no different. The second best team in the conference was Miami, who struggled with all two teams it faced with a pulse.

2016 was a little different. The ACC had three solid second tier teams (Louisville, Florida State, and Virginia Tech) and the Heisman Trophy winner. The ACC also won the bowl challenge cup in 2016.


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Mithridates6
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re: Would Houston Nutt have been able to achieve the same level of success at Clemson?
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Nutt’s last season was 2007, 2008-2011 was Petrino. Arkansas won a close one in 2008, LSU won a close one in 2009 in OT, Arkansas won in 2010 for the Sugar Bowl bid, and then LSU won big in 2011.

Nutt could've easily won three straight against us with the Black Bears from 2008-2010


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