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Worst case for SEC: All the major AAU universities end up in Big Ten

Posted on 7/4/22 at 3:54 pm
Posted by MillerLiteTime
Atlanta
Member since Aug 2018
2490 posts
Posted on 7/4/22 at 3:54 pm
With USC and UCLA joining the Big Ten, the Big Ten has 15 AAU members wih only 18 AAU members in a Big 5 conference that are not in the Big Ten:

GA Tech, Duke, UNC, Pitt, UVA (ACC), Stanford, Arizona, Oregon, Cal, Colorado, Utah, Washington (Pac 12), Florida, Mizzou, Texas, Texas A&M, Vandy (SEC), Kansas (Big 12) are the 18 left.

Imagine the following scenario as a worst case: ND joins the Big Ten and The Big Ten adds all or most of the remaining AAU schools from the Pac 12: Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Washington, Arizona, Utah, and Colorado.

To bridge the East/West divide they also add AAU member Kansas.

Now the Big Ten has 23 AAU members (25 total with Nebraska and ND). The Pac 12 ceases to exist and we have 10 AAU members not in the Big Ten.

Now the ACC is the next domino. AAU members UVA, UNC, Duke, and GA Tech join the Big Ten with Pitt being left out.

Now the SEC has a problem. We are surrounded on all sides by an extremely powerful Big Ten and we have 5 AAU members feeling isolated and left out academically with all the other AAU schools in the Big Ten. Mizzou, A&M, Texas, and Florida bolt for the Big Ten. Vandy is left out. Nebraska is kicked out of the B10 as the only non-AAU member that isn't Notre Dame. The Big Ten is now a 28 team monster with virtually every major AAU athletic program as a member, and every major media and recruiting market in the country including TX, California, and Florida.

The 2 superconferences become complete with the SEC making up its loss of 4 teams by adding non-AAU schools FSU, Clemson, NC St, and VaTech. The SEC is still a solid conference, but now to keep up with a 28 team Big Ten (which splits into two 14 team East/West pods), the SEC has to add some less desirable options like Miami, Nebraska, Louisville, WVU, a Texas team (TCU, Houston, and/or TTU), and Arizona St.

In this scenario, the Big Ten is the big dog in terms of money, prestige, and academics, while the SEC is good enough in football to be relevant, but doesn't call the shots anymore. We are back to the pre-2000's world where the media and Big Ten look down on the SEC as a bunch of redneck, overrated, 3rd tier universities. Southern recruits begin viewing the Big Ten as a better option for national exposure in an NIL world.

Again, worst case.....but this is the worst case we need to prepare for and head off if possible. AAU is the only route I see for the SEC to end up as the loser in the 2 superconference future.
Posted by MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 7/4/22 at 3:57 pm to
Nebraska isn't AAU.
Posted by OSTiger77
Ocean Springs
Member since Nov 2017
1693 posts
Posted on 7/4/22 at 3:59 pm to
What is AAU. I most be ignorant redneck
Posted by MillerLiteTime
Atlanta
Member since Aug 2018
2490 posts
Posted on 7/4/22 at 3:59 pm to
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Nebraska isn't AAU.



Im aware. Which is why I mentioned they may leave or get kicked out of the Big Ten since they lost their AAU membership.

Notre Dame is also not an AAU member, although the Big Ten seems to view them as an AAU equivalent academically.
Posted by MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Member since Jun 2017
15598 posts
Posted on 7/4/22 at 4:00 pm to
Association of American Universities. A big deal for the B10. UF, A&M, Mizzou, and Vandy are also members.

LINK
Posted by Bwmdx
Member since Dec 2018
2751 posts
Posted on 7/4/22 at 4:06 pm to
Do AAU member schools somehow stop getting AAU research money if they are not in an athletic conference with other AAU members?
Posted by TideFaninFl
On the space coast
Member since Oct 2017
6620 posts
Posted on 7/4/22 at 4:06 pm to
So basically you are saying the Big Ten is giving up sports\ to focus on academics. Don't they do that already?

Conference expansion is for athletics not for academics or both the SEC and the Big Ten would be going after Harvard, Yale, Penn, et al.

Posted by MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Member since Jun 2017
15598 posts
Posted on 7/4/22 at 4:11 pm to
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Do AAU member schools somehow stop getting AAU research money if they are not in an athletic conference with other AAU members?

No because there are Canadian schools as members too.
Posted by RollingwiththeTide
Member since Oct 2020
3681 posts
Posted on 7/4/22 at 4:11 pm to
That AAU rating may have been a big deal 20 or 30 years ago but I doubt it really matters much today. These days most players just want to get to the NFL as fast as possible. Academics is not as high of a priority as it once was.
Posted by lsujag
Member since Jan 2012
2316 posts
Posted on 7/4/22 at 4:11 pm to
Florida isn’t leaving for the Big ten. Could see Missouri leaving, because they don’t belong. Could also see one of the Texas schools leaving, mainly A&M. They are unhappy with big brother coming in. I say screw them and lets add fsu, Miami, Clemson, ncstate, Vtech and either ok lite or another p5 southern school to get to 20.
Posted by MillerLiteTime
Atlanta
Member since Aug 2018
2490 posts
Posted on 7/4/22 at 4:13 pm to
The AAU issue is why I'm concerned with what is looking like an eventual Big Ten/Pac 12 merger (with non-AAU members AZ St, Oregon St, and Washington St being left out). Currently no one conference can claim to be the dominant academic league. If we end up with 2 superconferences, the AAU members are going to gravitate towards each other and the Big Ten is going to clearly dominate in that realm. We don't want to end up in a world where the SEC's AAU members are the only ones not in the club. The SEC is severely weakened in a 2 conference world if we don't control the states of TX and Florida.
Posted by UKWildcats
Lexington, KY
Member since Mar 2015
17013 posts
Posted on 7/4/22 at 4:16 pm to
Them boys ain't here to play school.
Posted by El Segundo Guy
SE OK
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 7/4/22 at 4:16 pm to
quote:

That AAU rating may have been a big deal 20 or 30 years ago but I doubt it really matters much today. These days most players just want to get to the NFL as fast as possible. Academics is not as high of a priority as it once was.


What? That AAU rating is extremely important for the Presidents/Chancellors/Regents. It's never been important to the players.

The BTAA and its $10 billion is going to drive the desirable schools to the B1G. Plain and simple.

Just because to you as a fan, the AAU is pointless, doesn't make it so.
Posted by Sooner a Reb
Maryland
Member since Jan 2017
1225 posts
Posted on 7/4/22 at 4:18 pm to
quote:


That AAU rating may have been a big deal 20 or 30 years ago but I doubt it really matters much today. These days most players just want to get to the NFL as fast as possible. Academics is not as high of a priority as it once was.


It's not about the players its about the Money, the AAU status brings in huge dollars to the Universities which combined with the kind of money the B1G would pay out in this example would be tremendous and difficult to overcome long term. That being said, I think it is a VERY far fetched scenario and of little real concern.
This post was edited on 7/4/22 at 4:20 pm
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27291 posts
Posted on 7/4/22 at 4:19 pm to
quote:

Now the SEC has a problem.


No it isn't

quote:

We are back to the pre-2000's world where the media and Big Ten look down on the SEC as a bunch of redneck, overrated, 3rd tier universities. Southern recruits begin viewing the Big Ten as a


Never read so much idiotic drivel in my life.

Expansion is about one thing and one thing only:MONEY

How in God's name is the BIG gonna absorb ALL those schools and still maintain all those schools getting a $55 to $60 million annual per team (current) payout?

How do folks not get this?
Posted by MillerLiteTime
Atlanta
Member since Aug 2018
2490 posts
Posted on 7/4/22 at 4:20 pm to
quote:

Do AAU member schools somehow stop getting AAU research money if they are not in an athletic conference with other AAU members?



No. But if all of a sudden practically all of the AAU members with major sports teams are in one conference, there is going to be a strong pull for schools like UF and Texas to join up with them. Remember, these are PhD college presidents making the decisions. The Big Ten also shares a tremendous amount of research and academic funding between its members.

I'm not saying this is going to happen, but if there is a way for the B10 to take a huge gut punch and grab TX and UF from the SEC, AAU will be it.
Posted by TrumpedUpVol
Member since Sep 2020
584 posts
Posted on 7/4/22 at 4:22 pm to
The SEC is already leagues behind the Big Ten in terms of research dollars and will never, ever catch up to the Big Ten Academic Alliance, but I don’t think that the 5 SEC AAU members would feel any more “isolated” whether the Big Ten has 15 AAU members or 20-22 plus Notre Dame. At the end of the day, the majority of AAU schools will not be in the Big Ten.
Posted by MillerLiteTime
Atlanta
Member since Aug 2018
2490 posts
Posted on 7/4/22 at 4:24 pm to
quote:

What? That AAU rating is extremely important for the Presidents/Chancellors/Regents. It's never been important to the players.

The BTAA and its $10 billion is going to drive the desirable schools to the B1G. Plain and simple.

Just because to you as a fan, the AAU is pointless, doesn't make it so.


Exactly. AAU isn't a threat to the SEC as long as there are many AAU members spread out throughout many major conferences. It becomes a glaring weakness in a two conference world if the Big Ten takes all the best AAU schools from the Pac 12 and ACC. Then our AAU schools are on an island with all the research funding and prestige being shared by an exclusive club that they are not in.
Posted by MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Member since Jun 2017
15598 posts
Posted on 7/4/22 at 4:25 pm to
Buffalo is an AAU member and I doubt the B10 is clamoring to add them.
Posted by lewis and herschel
Member since Nov 2009
11363 posts
Posted on 7/4/22 at 4:27 pm to
You worry about really dumbshit. Get a life.
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