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Will this Art Briles style offense that Heupel runs be the end of dominant defenses
Posted on 11/4/22 at 10:10 am
Posted on 11/4/22 at 10:10 am
In major college football? With the explosive plays run by teams like Tennessee and Ohio State, and the rules slanted in favor of offenses, what does Saban do to counter this? Defenses are handcuffed and referees are throwing flags for any impediment to the wideout. Does Saban finally decide he can’t rely simply on the Will Andersons and Kool Aids of the world? And he doesn’t have an OSU WR transfer on the roster.
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Posted on 11/4/22 at 10:12 am to Taurus 357
Calm down.
Pitt slowed it way down. So will Georgia.
Pitt slowed it way down. So will Georgia.
Posted on 11/4/22 at 10:16 am to Taurus 357
The juggernaut that is the Ole Miss defense controlled the Tennessee offense for much of the game last year AT Knee Land Stadium…Hooker took all but 4 or 5 snaps at quarterback too…so I would stop short of this offense being revolutionary.
Posted on 11/4/22 at 10:17 am to themetalreb
It’s a good offense, don’t get me wrong but Pete Golding must have been drunk,in the booth to give up 52.
Posted on 11/4/22 at 10:18 am to Taurus 357
This has been said about every new offensive strategy that has come along, and eventually defenses have adjusted to stop them. It will be the same with this one, too.
That said, something needs to be done about the ridiculous number of penalties that are called on defenses these days for 1) pass interference and 2) roughing/targeting/late hits. It seems like half the scoring drives I watch from any team are extended at some point by a flag on the defense for one of those fouls. When "intentionally underthrow a pass to try and get the defender to run into the receiver and thus get a free first down for PI" is a viable strategy, something is wrong. Football is becoming too much of a subjective judgment sport, and instant replay has done absolutely nothing to help.
That said, something needs to be done about the ridiculous number of penalties that are called on defenses these days for 1) pass interference and 2) roughing/targeting/late hits. It seems like half the scoring drives I watch from any team are extended at some point by a flag on the defense for one of those fouls. When "intentionally underthrow a pass to try and get the defender to run into the receiver and thus get a free first down for PI" is a viable strategy, something is wrong. Football is becoming too much of a subjective judgment sport, and instant replay has done absolutely nothing to help.
Posted on 11/4/22 at 10:22 am to TheTideMustRoll
You kinda have to wonder what the agenda is when folks start lobbying for penalties to not be called.
Posted on 11/4/22 at 10:27 am to Taurus 357
Limit the Tennessee run game without overcommitting to the box.
Can UGA limit the Tennessee offense at or below 100 yards? That will go a long way to determining the outcome of the game.
UGA @ Tenn 2021 was 55 rushing yards.
Pitt held Tennessee to 91 rushing yards this season (tenn scored 27 points in regulation). 136 rushing yards last season (Tennessee scored 34 points @ Pitt).
Can UGA limit the Tennessee offense at or below 100 yards? That will go a long way to determining the outcome of the game.
UGA @ Tenn 2021 was 55 rushing yards.
Pitt held Tennessee to 91 rushing yards this season (tenn scored 27 points in regulation). 136 rushing yards last season (Tennessee scored 34 points @ Pitt).
Posted on 11/4/22 at 10:28 am to Taurus 357
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In major college football? With the explosive plays run by teams like Tennessee and Ohio State, and the rules slanted in favor of offenses, what does Saban do to counter this? Defenses are handcuffed and referees are throwing flags for any impediment to the wideout. Does Saban finally decide he can’t rely simply on the Will Andersons and Kool Aids of the world? And he doesn’t have an OSU WR transfer on the roster.
Saban hasnt been that good at defense in years. Better to check with what Kirby is doing. He had a great defense last year.
Posted on 11/4/22 at 10:31 am to TheTideMustRoll
PI should only involve grabbing the receiver's arm, or putting your hand in his face while the ball is in flight.
Running in to him and all that shite ought to be legal. This is supposed to be a man's game.
Running in to him and all that shite ought to be legal. This is supposed to be a man's game.
Posted on 11/4/22 at 10:34 am to Taurus 357
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the end of dominant defenses
that already happened like 5 or 6 yeras ago. Somewhere around ~13/14ish there was a major shift with offenses ruling the day in CFB and that's still the case today.
UGA last year having a historically elite defense that's one of the best ever was an anomaly.
Posted on 11/4/22 at 10:34 am to TheTideMustRoll
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It seems like half the scoring drives I watch from any team are extended at some point by a flag on the defense for one of those fouls. When "intentionally underthrow a pass to try and get the defender to run into the receiver and thus get a free first down for PI" is a viable strategy, something is wrong. Football is becoming too much of a subjective judgment sport, and instant replay has done absolutely nothing to help.
The targeting/roughing stuff is retarded, but at least it's explainable because they're trying to legislate hard hits out of football so they don't get sued by former players. The pass interference stuff is absolutely insane.
Posted on 11/4/22 at 10:35 am to Taurus 357
Shoot, we may even keep the UT offense under 30 if our offense doesn't turn the ball over.
Posted on 11/4/22 at 10:36 am to Taurus 357
Some years it all comes together for an offense.
Posted on 11/4/22 at 10:41 am to weremoose
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Running in to him and all that shite ought to be legal. This is supposed to be a man's game.
Running into the receiver is legal if the DBs head is already turned with eyes to the ball.
It is also legal if the wr is initiating the contact earlier.
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PI should only involve grabbing the receiver's arm, or putting your hand in his face while the ball is in flight
I don't like the way holding or PI is called.
You rarely see a flag when the defense is holding down one of the receivers arms. Too often, that gets classified as hand fighting (but 99.9% of catches require 2 hands).
I hate the flag where the defender has a finger and thumb pinching the receivers jersey. So long as there is no pulling or directing, that flag shouldn't be thrown (I get it. It is hard in real time for the ref to know if the hands are effecting the receiver or not so they automatically throw the flag).
The arm around the back turning the receiver. Arm on the shoulder pushing or pulling. That usually gets called unless it is the end of the game where for some reason the ruling is different. It doesn't make sense.
Posted on 11/4/22 at 10:42 am to Taurus 357
This post is 5+ years late. Saban has already adapted.
Here's Alabama year over year ppg and sec rank for ppg:
2022 43.1 2nd
2021 39.6 1st
2020 48.5 1st
2019 47.2 2nd
2018 45.6 1st
2017 37.1 2nd
2016 38.8 1st
2015 35.1 4th
the dominant defenses that were Saban's hallmark were dominant because they were employed against cave man offenses with lesser talent. other SEC schools, for the most part, now realize they can't beat Saban with Shove-o-war offensive gameplans. To his credit, Saban has recognized the need for more aggressive offense to outscore his opponents.
Here's Alabama year over year ppg and sec rank for ppg:
2022 43.1 2nd
2021 39.6 1st
2020 48.5 1st
2019 47.2 2nd
2018 45.6 1st
2017 37.1 2nd
2016 38.8 1st
2015 35.1 4th
the dominant defenses that were Saban's hallmark were dominant because they were employed against cave man offenses with lesser talent. other SEC schools, for the most part, now realize they can't beat Saban with Shove-o-war offensive gameplans. To his credit, Saban has recognized the need for more aggressive offense to outscore his opponents.
Posted on 11/4/22 at 10:59 am to Taurus 357
When Briles was coaching his offense was top 5 hell top 3 most years.. It depends on the QB and OL They will be able to run block. If OL can't get push then you have to pass more and most team want to pass when they want to not if they got to
Posted on 11/4/22 at 11:09 am to TheTideMustRoll
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This has been said about every new offensive strategy that has come along, and eventually defenses have adjusted to stop them. It will be the same with this one, too.
But the thing is this offense isn’t new and it’s not a gimmick. Remember Heupel ran this same offense when he was the OC at Oklahoma, OC at Missouri, Head Coach at UCF, and now UT. He has had top rated offenses at every stop he has been at. Hell he even turned Drew Lock into a NFL draft pick. Theirs plenty of film out there right now to study to stop it if it was that easy.
Posted on 11/4/22 at 11:12 am to Taurus 357
A defense will have to be developed to defend it.
I've already designed it. Selling for 5 million.
I've already designed it. Selling for 5 million.
Posted on 11/4/22 at 11:12 am to VolNavy98
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Theirs plenty of film out there right now to study to stop it if it was that easy.
It isn't easy.
But it starts with winning at the line of scrimmage with 5 defenders (6 if the HBack is in).
Stop the run. And you will get 3 and outs that absolutely deflate the defense.
Sure, the offense will land a couple of haymakers. But 2 haymakers and a sea of 3 and outs kills the defense and the chance to win in the 4th quarter.
Posted on 11/4/22 at 11:17 am to Taurus 357
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In major college football?
Nope.
THis style of offense has been around since the 1990's. It is very effective with the right pieces, but no more so than any other offense.
LSU didn't run this style... but their offense was great with their great players in 2019.
People tend to get way too hung up on scheme. Scheme can let you take advantage of a mismatch in talent... but it comes down to the players most of the time. A great QB can count more than great players at other positions, but it still comes down to talent and preparation more than some "magic" scheme.
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