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Paul Allen
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Why was John Chavis such a successful DC for years and now is basically an average coach?
From 1995-2007 some of the talent that came through Knoxville was outstanding. He led Tennessee to 4 number one overall defensive rankings in the SEC and was highly respected.

Especially from 97-02. Some of those defenses were downright nasty.

What happened to him? Was he basically riding Fulmer’s coattails to success or did he just throw the towel in and got lazy?


Got Heeem
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re: Why was John Chavis such a successful DC for years and now is basically an average coach?
LAZY and needs good recruits to be successful. Did I mention he's lazy and can't recruit for crap?


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NPComb
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re: Why was John Chavis such a successful DC for years and now is basically an average coach?
He was great calling plays for 1st and 2nd downs. Third downs? Well ya know...


Hellmet
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re: Why was John Chavis such a successful DC for years and now is basically an average coach?
The game changed, he did not. He is still a great coach.. if it was the 90's.


lewis and herschel
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re: Why was John Chavis such a successful DC for years and now is basically an average coach?
Offenses no longer just olow ahead at defenses. Actual scheming changes personal match up dynamics.


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sand mountainDvalues
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re: Why was John Chavis such a successful DC for years and now is basically an average coach?
quote:

From 1995-2007 some of the talent that came through Knoxville was outstanding. He led Tennessee to 4 number one overall defensive rankings in the SEC and was highly respected.


Spurrier whipped his arse every fricking year, and probably kept VOLS from winning at least one more title during their heyday.


He had just ridiculous amounts of talent at his disposal at VOLS and LSU. In retrospect I’m not sure how good he actually was


GoHoGsGo06
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re: Why was John Chavis such a successful DC for years and now is basically an average coach?
Like most have said, he had great talent and the game was not as complex as it is now.

Offenses today look for every possible way to beat you and will leverage that to win. Back in the Chavis hay day, most offenses were pretty limited in how they attacked defenses and therefore talent won out most times.

You now have coaches that will run a 5 wide followed by spread read option followed by fullback dive. He didn’t change with the times (don’t blame him; rich as F).


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ForeverEllisHugh
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re: Why was John Chavis such a successful DC for years and now is basically an average coach?
He had flaws and things didn’t end well in BR, but he should get credit for coordinating the greatest college football defense of all time.

I’d give up a testicle for a season of 2011 D with 2019 O


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armytide373
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re: Why was John Chavis such a successful DC for years and now is basically an average coach?
The game evolved and he didn't. If we rewound the clock to 2011, you saw where he excelled in Game of the Century pt1, and really even part 2.

Grown man, old man power football.

Give him the talent and force that offensive style of attack, and POOF!, he's a defensive genius again.

I also think Les may have leaned on him too heavily, too long. He was forced to keep LSU in games where a stagnated offense FULL of talent did all they could to give the game away and fail to take advantage of all that their defense provided.

This coupled with the transition of offensive football probably had him simply mailing it in for the most part these past few years.
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Ole Ag
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re: Why was John Chavis such a successful DC for years and now is basically an average coach?
Talent and um. Nope. That's it. He has to have superior talent.


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SammyTiger
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re: Why was John Chavis such a successful DC for years and now is basically an average coach?
That LSU defense was better vs Oregon and West Virginia and the more spread out team.

He has issues now because he doesn’t have anywhere near the talent he had at his peak.


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geauxnavybeatbama
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re: Why was John Chavis such a successful DC for years and now is basically an average coach?
A stubborn head coach hired a stubborn DC.

ETA: i would actually say lsu got their asses kicked by bama so many years in a row is because our linebacker corps was so small. We put defensive ends at defensive tackle and had safeties at linebacker. Bama wrecked us physically
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Paul Allen
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re: Why was John Chavis such a successful DC for years and now is basically an average coach?
The weird thing is at Tennessee he was known to have linebackers less than 220 pounds


geauxnavybeatbama
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re: Why was John Chavis such a successful DC for years and now is basically an average coach?
6’3” 245 Derrick Henry wasn’t in the sec either


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GeauxLSU4
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re: Why was John Chavis such a successful DC for years and now is basically an average coach?
He was great at Tennessee and LSU because he had elite talent and didn’t have to recruit much. He had average talent at A&M and Arky and still wasn’t putting much effort into recruiting. Instead, he was doing his best to look like papa smurf.


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tigger1
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re: Why was John Chavis such a successful DC for years and now is basically an average coach?
Jumped to LSU when the Vols dl-de was depleted, he never liked to recruit.

LSU is load when he gets there, then does not push the recruiting trial and leaves LSU thin at Dl...

Jumps to Texas A&M who had pulled in some of the best DL-De in their history...

Then under recruits

and has to take the Ark...
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OrangeEmpire
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re: Why was John Chavis such a successful DC for years and now is basically an average coach?
Just like other people have said that he tended to be lazy on the recruiting side and stubborn his with scheme. The Mustang Package or the beloved, rolling eyes, third and Chavis.

Image: https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/378800000234160107/f83b44591f4adafd7238676f17cc7860_400x400.jpeg
This post was edited on 4/7 at 4:24 am


OrangeEmpire
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OrangeEmpire
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re: Why was John Chavis such a successful DC for years and now is basically an average coach?
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The weird thing is at Tennessee he was known to have linebackers less than 220 pounds


He had lineman to protect them.

If you take a look at the 98 and 01 teams, their d-lines are nfl caliber across the board.
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MosesRAB93
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re: Why was John Chavis such a successful DC for years and now is basically an average coach?
He no longer had offenses like RC Slocum’s Gulf Coast Offense to play against


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