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Why was John Chavis such a successful DC for years and now is basically an average coach?
Posted on 4/6/20 at 11:04 pm
Posted on 4/6/20 at 11:04 pm
From 1995-2007 some of the talent that came through Knoxville was outstanding. He led Tennessee to 4 number one overall defensive rankings in the SEC and was highly respected.
Especially from 97-02. Some of those defenses were downright nasty.
What happened to him? Was he basically riding Fulmer’s coattails to success or did he just throw the towel in and got lazy?
Especially from 97-02. Some of those defenses were downright nasty.
What happened to him? Was he basically riding Fulmer’s coattails to success or did he just throw the towel in and got lazy?
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Posted on 4/6/20 at 11:05 pm to Paul Allen
LAZY and needs good recruits to be successful. Did I mention he's lazy and can't recruit for crap?
Posted on 4/6/20 at 11:21 pm to Paul Allen
He was great calling plays for 1st and 2nd downs. Third downs? Well ya know...
Posted on 4/6/20 at 11:22 pm to NPComb
The game changed, he did not. He is still a great coach.. if it was the 90's.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 11:23 pm to Paul Allen
Offenses no longer just olow ahead at defenses. Actual scheming changes personal match up dynamics.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 11:31 pm to Paul Allen
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From 1995-2007 some of the talent that came through Knoxville was outstanding. He led Tennessee to 4 number one overall defensive rankings in the SEC and was highly respected.
Spurrier whipped his arse every fricking year, and probably kept VOLS from winning at least one more title during their heyday.
He had just ridiculous amounts of talent at his disposal at VOLS and LSU. In retrospect I’m not sure how good he actually was
Posted on 4/6/20 at 11:54 pm to sand mountainDvalues
Like most have said, he had great talent and the game was not as complex as it is now.
Offenses today look for every possible way to beat you and will leverage that to win. Back in the Chavis hay day, most offenses were pretty limited in how they attacked defenses and therefore talent won out most times.
You now have coaches that will run a 5 wide followed by spread read option followed by fullback dive. He didn’t change with the times (don’t blame him; rich as F).
Offenses today look for every possible way to beat you and will leverage that to win. Back in the Chavis hay day, most offenses were pretty limited in how they attacked defenses and therefore talent won out most times.
You now have coaches that will run a 5 wide followed by spread read option followed by fullback dive. He didn’t change with the times (don’t blame him; rich as F).
Posted on 4/6/20 at 11:56 pm to Paul Allen
He had flaws and things didn’t end well in BR, but he should get credit for coordinating the greatest college football defense of all time.
I’d give up a testicle for a season of 2011 D with 2019 O
I’d give up a testicle for a season of 2011 D with 2019 O
Posted on 4/6/20 at 11:56 pm to Paul Allen
The game evolved and he didn't. If we rewound the clock to 2011, you saw where he excelled in Game of the Century pt1, and really even part 2.
Grown man, old man power football.
Give him the talent and force that offensive style of attack, and POOF!, he's a defensive genius again.
I also think Les may have leaned on him too heavily, too long. He was forced to keep LSU in games where a stagnated offense FULL of talent did all they could to give the game away and fail to take advantage of all that their defense provided.
This coupled with the transition of offensive football probably had him simply mailing it in for the most part these past few years.
Grown man, old man power football.
Give him the talent and force that offensive style of attack, and POOF!, he's a defensive genius again.
I also think Les may have leaned on him too heavily, too long. He was forced to keep LSU in games where a stagnated offense FULL of talent did all they could to give the game away and fail to take advantage of all that their defense provided.
This coupled with the transition of offensive football probably had him simply mailing it in for the most part these past few years.
This post was edited on 4/7/20 at 12:01 am
Posted on 4/7/20 at 12:30 am to Paul Allen
Talent and um. Nope. That's it. He has to have superior talent.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 1:00 am to Hellmet
That LSU defense was better vs Oregon and West Virginia and the more spread out team.
He has issues now because he doesn’t have anywhere near the talent he had at his peak.
He has issues now because he doesn’t have anywhere near the talent he had at his peak.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 1:03 am to Paul Allen
A stubborn head coach hired a stubborn DC.
ETA: i would actually say lsu got their asses kicked by bama so many years in a row is because our linebacker corps was so small. We put defensive ends at defensive tackle and had safeties at linebacker. Bama wrecked us physically
ETA: i would actually say lsu got their asses kicked by bama so many years in a row is because our linebacker corps was so small. We put defensive ends at defensive tackle and had safeties at linebacker. Bama wrecked us physically
This post was edited on 4/7/20 at 1:17 am
Posted on 4/7/20 at 1:24 am to geauxnavybeatbama
The weird thing is at Tennessee he was known to have linebackers less than 220 pounds
Posted on 4/7/20 at 1:29 am to Paul Allen
6’3” 245 Derrick Henry wasn’t in the sec either 
Posted on 4/7/20 at 1:34 am to Paul Allen
He was great at Tennessee and LSU because he had elite talent and didn’t have to recruit much. He had average talent at A&M and Arky and still wasn’t putting much effort into recruiting. Instead, he was doing his best to look like papa smurf.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 4:05 am to Paul Allen
Jumped to LSU when the Vols dl-de was depleted, he never liked to recruit.
LSU is load when he gets there, then does not push the recruiting trial and leaves LSU thin at Dl...
Jumps to Texas A&M who had pulled in some of the best DL-De in their history...
Then under recruits
and has to take the Ark...
LSU is load when he gets there, then does not push the recruiting trial and leaves LSU thin at Dl...
Jumps to Texas A&M who had pulled in some of the best DL-De in their history...
Then under recruits
and has to take the Ark...
This post was edited on 4/7/20 at 4:07 am
Posted on 4/7/20 at 4:19 am to tigger1
Just like other people have said that he tended to be lazy on the recruiting side and stubborn his with scheme. The Mustang Package or the beloved, rolling eyes, third and Chavis.
This post was edited on 4/7/20 at 4:24 am
Posted on 4/7/20 at 4:24 am to OrangeEmpire
Posted on 4/7/20 at 4:25 am to OrangeEmpire
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The weird thing is at Tennessee he was known to have linebackers less than 220 pounds
He had lineman to protect them.
If you take a look at the 98 and 01 teams, their d-lines are nfl caliber across the board.
This post was edited on 4/7/20 at 4:30 am
Posted on 4/7/20 at 7:41 am to Paul Allen
He no longer had offenses like RC Slocum’s Gulf Coast Offense to play against
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