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re: Why not give the players a choice: scholly and benefits, or the cash equiv w/ no degree
Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:25 am to DingLeeBerry
Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:25 am to DingLeeBerry
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Send them to boot camp
Lol. What?
Most P5 college football camps and training regimens are far more physically intense than boot camp. Some of y’all are so disconnected with reality it’s insane.
Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:25 am to PeeJayScammedGT
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PeeJayScammedGT
I stopped reading when I realized that you don't even know what a windfall is.
But I should have stopped when I realized that you don't know the difference between revenue and profit.
Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:27 am to themicah85
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From arguments you and i have had previously, youre certain that without the top players that NCAA football wouldnt survive,
I never said that
I did say TV Money would decrease and fan support would decline a lot
Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:34 am to GobyGator
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The minute you start paying players you open a whole new can of worms. Not just cause of money but they are now employees and have so many more laws to abide by
Not true
Stipends are allowed to be a part of a college Scholly and the Tax code already recognizes this in some way
I have never said employees, I have always said give them larger stipends
Like I have also said, "don't let perfection be the enemy of progress"
It's as if you're saying, we can't find a perfect way to pay you, so I'd rather you stay broke until we can create a perfect solution"
This does nothing for the person that is on the wrong side of the Economic Injustice
Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:36 am to cokebottleag
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or the cash equiv w/ no degree
In before "they'd burn through it then demand someone else paid their room and board".
Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:40 am to cokebottleag
Can't be a student athlete of you are not a student.
Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:43 am to cokebottleag
Isn’t the whole point that these players are bringing in Millions if dollars to the school and are getting like a 70k compensation and a cool employee lounge?
I don’t think the players have much leverage in this situation unless they ALL decide to walk out, but don’t pretend like there really adequately compensated. The NFL is just a monopoly and they won’t take thin for 3 years out of high school.
Minor league baseball players at least get a good signing bonus before their teacher salary.
I don’t think the players have much leverage in this situation unless they ALL decide to walk out, but don’t pretend like there really adequately compensated. The NFL is just a monopoly and they won’t take thin for 3 years out of high school.
Minor league baseball players at least get a good signing bonus before their teacher salary.
Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:51 am to skrayper
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scholly and benefits, or the cash equiv w/ no degree
So we basically stop pretending they're students?
Whether we pretend or not, it's not up to us. Always ignored in all of these discussions is the fact that the US Department of Education calls them students. As long as that continues to be the case, it's the law of the land, and most of all of this will continue to just be water cooler conversation material.
This post was edited on 8/4/20 at 10:54 am
Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:54 am to SammyTiger
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getting like a 70k compensation
They aren’t even really getting that. I’m not sure how scholarships are written off, but at low enough of awarded scholarships (like giving them to some members of the football team) the universities aren’t spending near the amount of the scholarship price tag.
Think about it this way: does it really cost that much for a player to sit in a classroom with 19 kids that have already paid high tuition to fund the educator?
Does it really cost that much for a player to live in a huge dorm with high rent costs that usually see the dorm paid off in no time?
The scholarship price tags put out by the universities are significantly overinflated due to the tuition costs and dorm rents being overinflated.
Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:56 am to BamaGradinTn
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US Department of Education calls them students.
This does not prevent them from getting paid. I made good money during both undergrad and grad school.
Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:59 am to PlateJohnsonIII
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US Department of Education calls them students.
This does not prevent them from getting paid. I made good money during both undergrad and grad school.
It absolutely prevents a football player from getting paid more than a female track athlete.
That's what those Pac 12 athletes want, right? Revenue sharing? Track and swimming don't have revenue to share. The entire document seemed to have been written by someone who was clueless about Title IX.
You'll notice that no female cross country runners signed up and threatened to boycott workouts and meets this fall.
You've got a bunch of football players who want to get their fingers on a chunk of football money. They don't give a shite about equality for women. Ironic that they live in the part of the country. You think the liberals on the left coast would ever allow Title IX to be weakened?
This post was edited on 8/4/20 at 11:08 am
Posted on 8/4/20 at 11:01 am to cokebottleag
I think they should just stop pretending and either start a minor league or just let the players good enough to go pro straight out of high school and return college football to being about college students. It's a damn joke what's going on now
Posted on 8/4/20 at 11:07 am to pvilleguru
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The lowest paid football head coach in SEC makes $2.35M/year. The lowest paid basketball coach makes $2M. There's even several assistant coaches that make over $1M.
If they are having trouble paying coaches, then it's their own damn fault that they are offering them too much money.
Are you arguing for a salary cap, against the free market?
Posted on 8/4/20 at 11:24 am to PlateJohnsonIII
I am not a big supporter of the “pay players” aspect because I don't Think the players really have all that leverage.
I am A big supporter of letting these kids profit off their names, even if it feels like a can of worms.
I am A big supporter of letting these kids profit off their names, even if it feels like a can of worms.
Posted on 8/4/20 at 11:34 am to cokebottleag
It's a school, not a semi-pro league
Posted on 8/4/20 at 11:54 am to PeeJayScammedGT
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PeeJayScammedGT
are you an alter of BamaATL?
Posted on 8/4/20 at 12:15 pm to cokebottleag
This is an NFL problem, that the NCAA has foolishly taken as their own. NFL should remove age requirement. If you are good enough to go pro, then go to the NFL and get paid. If you are not, go to college and don't get paid. So simple.
Posted on 8/4/20 at 12:23 pm to Ole Ag
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This is an NFL problem, that the NCAA has foolishly taken as their own. NFL should remove age requirement. If you are good enough to go pro, then go to the NFL and get paid. If you are not, go to college and don't get paid. So simple.
It’s more a player problem. The NFL and NCAA both benefit from it. Without a viable second option before the NFL players don’t really have any choice but play for free in college.
Posted on 8/4/20 at 12:26 pm to Gravitiger
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This doesn't really make sense. In pro sports, they get access to training, food, gym, etc., as part of their job benefits. Why would it be different?
That's like saying a guy working a factory job should have to bring his own tools and equipment.
If you're gonna say, "Treat it like a job," you have to treat it like a comparable job, not like some office gig.
I think the problem lies in programs not being able to afford to pay for all those things and pay the players at the same time.
Posted on 8/4/20 at 12:33 pm to themicah85
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Or just let the NFL start their own damn farm league and take players out of high school that have no interest in going the college route, pay them like farm league baseball players and see what they blossom into over the course of the next 2-4 years. It blows my mind that 100% of the blame gets passed onto university's and no one gives the NFL any shite at all about this situation. The reason the NFL doesnt do that is because even taking the top talent out of high school each year and starting a Prep league they would still get dusted in ratings by College football and would get no NFL snaps out of a large portion of the 18 years olds they bring in and give the job of playing football. I get that, i just dont understand how they avoid any blame in this situation.
Thank you! The argument all the virtue signalers have shouldn’t be with the colleges and NCAA. It should be with the NFL & NFLPA. They’re the ones who set the rule no NFL contract before three years out of high school, not the colleges. The colleges simply say, “If you want to come to college for free if you play football, here’s the deal -take it or leave it.” They’re not artificially restricting players’ ability to earn money playing football. That’s the National. Football. League.
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