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Why not give the players a choice: scholly and benefits, or the cash equiv w/ no degree
Posted on 8/4/20 at 8:47 am
Posted on 8/4/20 at 8:47 am
With the vast majority of ADs already under water, there is no profit to share. Athletic Depts can hardly afford to pay the coaches, much less the players. They're already about to get money from their likenesses, which will be a boon for about 5% of them.
So, why not let the kids decide, individually.
You can either take:
full ride scholarship
Free ((((tutoring)))) services
Jacuzzi and cherrywood locker
charter plane, 5 star hotel, per diem
free campus meals, free team gym access
Free medical care, on demand trainers & staff
or
The cash equivalent for their degree, in the case of Alabama, that would be $29,872 a year in salary for an instate resident, or a more generous $48,322 for an out of state resident. I'd estimate that the benefits outside of the base cost of attendance would be around $15,000 a year, so the out of state players would pull down $63,322 a year in salary.
Then they subtract their own payroll tax, medicare/social security, and of course their health insurance plan. Of course, travel for "work" will be mandatory, so they get your typical expense account, which they need to submit their receipts for. Also, the university paid for systems like gym or cafeteria can be utilized for a deduction from their wages, or they can purchase a gym membership and obtain a personal trainer.
Like a big boy job.
I think that sounds reasonable.
So, why not let the kids decide, individually.
You can either take:
full ride scholarship
Free ((((tutoring)))) services
Jacuzzi and cherrywood locker
charter plane, 5 star hotel, per diem
free campus meals, free team gym access
Free medical care, on demand trainers & staff
or
The cash equivalent for their degree, in the case of Alabama, that would be $29,872 a year in salary for an instate resident, or a more generous $48,322 for an out of state resident. I'd estimate that the benefits outside of the base cost of attendance would be around $15,000 a year, so the out of state players would pull down $63,322 a year in salary.
Then they subtract their own payroll tax, medicare/social security, and of course their health insurance plan. Of course, travel for "work" will be mandatory, so they get your typical expense account, which they need to submit their receipts for. Also, the university paid for systems like gym or cafeteria can be utilized for a deduction from their wages, or they can purchase a gym membership and obtain a personal trainer.
Like a big boy job.
I think that sounds reasonable.
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 8:53 am to cokebottleag
People hate it when other people get a choice about their destiny.
Posted on 8/4/20 at 8:53 am to cokebottleag
quote:This doesn't really make sense. In pro sports, they get access to training, food, gym, etc., as part of their job benefits. Why would it be different?
Also, the university paid for systems like gym or cafeteria can be utilized for a deduction from their wages, or they can purchase a gym membership and obtain a personal trainer.
That's like saying a guy working a factory job should have to bring his own tools and equipment.
If you're gonna say, "Treat it like a job," you have to treat it like a comparable job, not like some office gig.
Posted on 8/4/20 at 8:59 am to cokebottleag
Send them to boot camp and when they get out ask them if they want to play football and go to school.
Posted on 8/4/20 at 9:00 am to cokebottleag
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scholly and benefits, or the cash equiv w/ no degree
So we basically stop pretending they're students?
Posted on 8/4/20 at 9:10 am to cokebottleag
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Athletic Depts can hardly afford to pay the coaches,
The lowest paid football head coach in SEC makes $2.35M/year. The lowest paid basketball coach makes $2M. There's even several assistant coaches that make over $1M.
If they are having trouble paying coaches, then it's their own damn fault that they are offering them too much money.
This post was edited on 8/4/20 at 9:16 am
Posted on 8/4/20 at 9:11 am to cokebottleag
quote:
With the vast majority of ADs already under water, there is no profit to share. Athletic Depts can hardly afford to pay the coaches, much less the players. They're already about to get money from their likenesses, which will be a boon for about 5% of them.
So, why not let the kids decide, individually.
You can either take:
full ride scholarship
Free ((((tutoring)))) services
Jacuzzi and cherrywood locker
charter plane, 5 star hotel, per diem
free campus meals, free team gym access
Free medical care, on demand trainers & staff
or
The cash equivalent for their degree, in the case of Alabama, that would be $29,872 a year in salary for an instate resident, or a more generous $48,322 for an out of state resident. I'd estimate that the benefits outside of the base cost of attendance would be around $15,000 a year, so the out of state players would pull down $63,322 a year in salary.
Then they subtract their own payroll tax, medicare/social security, and of course their health insurance plan. Of course, travel for "work" will be mandatory, so they get your typical expense account, which they need to submit their receipts for. Also, the university paid for systems like gym or cafeteria can be utilized for a deduction from their wages, or they can purchase a gym membership and obtain a personal trainer.
Like a big boy job.
I think that sounds reasonable.
Or just let the NFL start their own damn farm league and take players out of high school that have no interest in going the college route, pay them like farm league baseball players and see what they blossom into over the course of the next 2-4 years. It blows my mind that 100% of the blame gets passed onto university's and no one gives the NFL any shite at all about this situation. The reason the NFL doesnt do that is because even taking the top talent out of high school each year and starting a Prep league they would still get dusted in ratings by College football and would get no NFL snaps out of a large portion of the 18 years olds they bring in and give the job of playing football. I get that, i just dont understand how they avoid any blame in this situation.
Posted on 8/4/20 at 9:16 am to Gravitiger
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This doesn't really make sense. In pro sports, they get access to training, food, gym, etc., as part of their job benefits. Why would it be different?
It's different for every level in every sport.
Minor league baseball players get a weekly stipend, no health insurance for some teams
College ball doesn't make enough money for most teams to stay afloat.
Perhaps in this example (Alabama) I'm a little far. But substitute Akron?
Posted on 8/4/20 at 9:17 am to themicah85
Why should the NFL get any blame? Because they don't want to spend billions of dollars and not take advantage of a free labor market? That's just good business.
By that logic, all of corporate America should be paying for the training/education of everyone.
By that logic, all of corporate America should be paying for the training/education of everyone.
This post was edited on 8/4/20 at 9:26 am
Posted on 8/4/20 at 9:20 am to cokebottleag
Most college ADs already rely on government subsidies, student fees, and donations to stay afloat. If costs went up, some schools might shutter their programs, but most would just pass the increased costs along in the same way they always have.
Akron athletes aren't begging for more money. They would take the scholarship, if given the OP's choice.
Akron athletes aren't begging for more money. They would take the scholarship, if given the OP's choice.
This post was edited on 8/4/20 at 9:38 am
Posted on 8/4/20 at 9:32 am to cokebottleag
You've created a false equivalency: "Take all these benefits that allow you to do your job effectively, or take a lump sum that doesn't begin to cover all these benefits, and pay out of pocket for them just to be able to do your job. Like a real job."
Except that's not how real jobs work.
Except that's not how real jobs work.
Posted on 8/4/20 at 9:53 am to themicah85
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Or just let the NFL start their own damn farm league and take players out of high school that have no interest in going the college route, pay them like farm league baseball players and see what they blossom into over the course of the next 2-4 years. It blows my mind that 100% of the blame gets passed onto university's and no one gives the NFL any shite at all about this situation. The reason the NFL doesnt do that is because even taking the top talent out of high school each year and starting a Prep league they would still get dusted in ratings by College football and would get no NFL snaps out of a large portion of the 18 years olds they bring in and give the job of playing football. I get that, i just dont understand how they avoid any blame in this situation.
The NFL should never enter into this discussion
By mentioning the NFL you're asking the Players to ignore the $5 billion that CFB grosses every year
A more fair distribution of that $5 Billion yearly windfall is the only thing that needs to be considered
You don't tell the coaches that their pay is capped, and if they want more more money then go to the NFL, the coaches get paid based on that $5 billion yearly windfall, and since the Coaches AND Players are creating the entertainment product in unison then some fairness needs to be extended to the Revenue generating Athletes in the form of larger Stipends
In summary, you agree to a system where only 1 group is paid based on that $5 Billion Dollar windfall (Coaches & Athl Dept Admins), and then you tell the other group (Players), there's no Money
Posted on 8/4/20 at 9:54 am to Gravitiger
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Why should the NFL get any blame? Because they don't want to spend billions of dollars and not take advantage of a free labor market? That's just good business.
By that logic, all of corporate America should be paying for the training/education of everyone.
Its not that they SHOULD get blame based on them being in the wrong, they SHOULD get blame based on the fact that somehow the university's catch a shite ton of blame because they turn a profit even though every NCAA football player knowingly participates in the initial offer acceptance with full knowledge that they're getting a scholarship and all the other perks that come with it but not splitting 50% of the profits. Its really simple, if you dont want to play football under what you feel is a group of people exploiting you, then dont play. Just try to wait a few years and see if you can get into the NFL. Its not the NCAA's fault you cant go directly there.
Posted on 8/4/20 at 9:56 am to Gravitiger
quote:
Most college ADs already rely on government subsidies, student fees, and donations to stay afloat. If costs went up, some schools might shutter their programs, but most would just pass the increased costs along in the same way they always have.
Akron athletes aren't begging for more money. They would take the scholarship, if given the OP's choice.
Akron ain't in the Power5, this conversation is about the Big Money Boys -- the Power5, let the peons like Akron live by a different set of rules
Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:06 am to cokebottleag
quote:
The cash equivalent for their degree, in the case of Alabama, that would be $29,872 a year in salary for an instate resident, or a more generous $48,322 for an out of state resident. I'd estimate that the benefits outside of the base cost of attendance would be around $15,000 a year, so the out of state players would pull down $63,322 a year in salary.
Then they subtract their own payroll tax, medicare/social security, and of course their health insurance plan. Of course, travel for "work" will be mandatory, so they get your typical expense account, which they need to submit their receipts for. Also, the university paid for systems like gym or cafeteria can be utilized for a deduction from their wages, or they can purchase a gym membership and obtain a personal trainer.
Doesn't Saban use that same Athl Dept infrastructure to do HIS JOB and earn $9milion per year
So based on your ideology, should we "charge" Saban a yearly $8 million dollar "fee" for all the infrastructure he uses to earn his $9 million
Since you want to charge the players for their use of the Athl Dept infrastructure, then charge everybody, including Adminstrative Staff in the Athl Dept as well as the Non Revenue Athletes and the Title-IX welfare Athletes, and don't forget the Coaches in the NonRev Sports
When you extrapolate your bullshite ideology to others outside the Revenue Athletes , you clearly see how ludicrous your ideas really are
Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:06 am to PeeJayScammedGT
quote:
The NFL should never enter into this discussion
By mentioning the NFL you're asking the Players to ignore the $5 billion that CFB grosses every year
A more fair distribution of that $5 Billion yearly windfall is the only thing that needs to be considered
You don't tell the coaches that their pay is capped, and if they want more more money then go to the NFL, the coaches get paid based on that $5 billion yearly windfall, and since the Coaches AND Players are creating the entertainment product in unison then some fairness needs to be extended to the Revenue generating Athletes in the form of larger Stipends
In summary, you agree to a system where only 1 group is paid based on that $5 Billion Dollar windfall (Coaches & Athl Dept Admins), and then you tell the other group (Players), there's no Money
From arguments you and i have had previously, youre certain that without the top players that NCAA football wouldnt survive, why would'nt they want to go to a semi pro farm league, get rid of the school aspect of their life that they dont want to participate in and get paid. If the viewers follow them like you seem to think they will then getting them some of that TV money shouldnt be a problem. It would solve both sides problem.
Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:08 am to PeeJayScammedGT
quote:Tell that to the guy who brought up Akron.
Akron ain't in the Power5, this conversation is about the Big Money Boys -- the Power5, let the peons like Akron live by a different set of rules
Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:10 am to themicah85
quote:That is still not a good argument for blaming the NFL for anything. It's like saying Facebook and Google should be blamed for the rising costs of higher education, because they let Stanford and MIT train their workforce instead of doing it themselves.
Its not that they SHOULD get blame based on them being in the wrong, they SHOULD get blame based on the fact that somehow the university's catch a shite ton of blame because they turn a profit even though every NCAA football player knowingly participates in the initial offer acceptance with full knowledge that they're getting a scholarship and all the other perks that come with it but not splitting 50% of the profits. Its really simple, if you dont want to play football under what you feel is a group of people exploiting you, then dont play. Just try to wait a few years and see if you can get into the NFL. Its not the NCAA's fault you cant go directly there.
This post was edited on 8/4/20 at 11:29 am
Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:12 am to Gravitiger
The minute you start paying players you open a whole new can of worms. Not just cause of money but they are now employees and have so many more laws to abide by.
Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:21 am to skrayper
quote:
So we basically stop pretending they're students?
Most CFB players actually are students.
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