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re: Why do the higher ups at Auburn think Gus is such a great coach?
Posted on 2/12/19 at 10:07 am to DawgsLife
Posted on 2/12/19 at 10:07 am to DawgsLife
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here is a difference in losing three games during the regular season, and losing them in the SECCG and playoffs, though, don't you think?
No doubt things will get tougher with Florida and Tennessee getting stronger. But that will make the SEC stronger. The east is finally getting stronger, and it's about time.
The fact that Kirby is 4-5 against the West shows that he has been given a pass by playing in the East. The East has allowed him to play Freshman QBs and to develop his starting units. It wasn't much different than playing in the ACC, where you play an opponent that is equal in talent every three to four weeks. The SECG was a result of an Auburn team that played a season of the West, then having to play one week after playing Bama. UGA has been given a pass, but I think the emergence of Mullens will change that in the future.
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Posted on 2/12/19 at 10:09 am to DawgsLife
Beat Saban?
Posted on 2/12/19 at 10:19 am to Irons Puppet
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The fact that Kirby is 4-5 against the West shows that he has been given a pass by playing in the East.
I could argue that point since most of those losses have come at the hands of Alabama. So, if your argument is Alabama is better than Georgia, then yes. You have a point.
I mean if we took Auburn's record with Gus against the east would that be a god point? I would argue no, because most of Auburn's losses have come to Georgia.
I mean Gus' record against the East is 7-6. Do you think he is being given a pass for playing in the west?
Has he been able to develop players blah, blah,blah, since he is barely over .55 against the East?
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The SECG was a result of an Auburn team that played a season of the West, then having to play one week after playing Bama.
Come on, dude. Everybody knows the regular season Auburn win was only because we were beat up after playing a tough east schedule. See how that works and how silly it sounds?
Yes, I understand Auburn had Johnson injured. I also know you apparently had no depth at RB because Gus chose to play an injured RB. I also realize that Michel, our most effective RB went out early in the third quarter. We can go back and forth about reasons our team lost.....but those are only excuses.
quote:No. UGA has not been given a pass. Did you forget that the East beat the West this past season head to head? Shape it any way you want, but you won't convince me and I won't convince you. The only thing that matters is what actually happens on the field.
UGA has been given a pass, but I think the emergence of Mullens will change that in the future.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 10:20 am to DawgsLife
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Lost fewer games?
Also coached less games
quote:. Uh in what world does Kirby have more wins than Gus
Won more games.
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Won the Rose Bowl.
Lol okay if we are going to make arbitrary metrics, he has never beaten saban
quote:. Gus never won a game after 2013...
Has continued winning after playing for the National Championship.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 10:22 am to Poker Dough
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Beat Saban?
You are really proud of that 2-4 record Gus has "piled" up on Saban, aren't you. As long as Gus beats Saban once every three years it doesn't matter what else he has done?
I would lose to Saban once a year every year if it meant we go to the playoffs and play for a National Championship....that seems to be the yardstick Auburn is using.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 10:25 am to NYCAuburn
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Lost fewer games?
Also coached less games
Average per year.
quote:Again, average per year.
Uh in what world does Kirby have more wins than Gus
I mean Gus has coached a whole lot more games as a Head Coach. quote:
Won the Rose Bowl.
Lol okay if we are going to make arbitrary metrics, he has never beaten saban
The question was what has Kirby done that Gus has not done. Gus has had the opportunity to go to the Rose Bowl as much as Kirby has. How is that arbitrary?
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Has continued winning after playing for the National Championship.
. Gus never won a game after 2013...
Then why are Auburn fans wanting him fired?
Posted on 2/12/19 at 10:35 am to DawgsLife
Let me make myself clear once more.....
I AM NOT ARGUING THAT GUS IS A BAD COACH.
An Auburn fan asked me what Kirby had done that Gus has not. I answered. If you don't like the answer, don't ask the question.
I actually think Gus is a pretty good coach....mainly because of the very reasons many of you Auburn fans have mentioned. People who say Gus is a bad coach are just trolling Auburn and trying to get a rise.
I AM NOT ARGUING THAT GUS IS A BAD COACH.
An Auburn fan asked me what Kirby had done that Gus has not. I answered. If you don't like the answer, don't ask the question.
I actually think Gus is a pretty good coach....mainly because of the very reasons many of you Auburn fans have mentioned. People who say Gus is a bad coach are just trolling Auburn and trying to get a rise.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 10:46 am to DawgsLife
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I could argue that point since most of those losses have come at the hands of Alabama. So, if your argument is Alabama is better than Georgia, then yes. You have a point.
Bama, LSU and Auburn. Pretty wide sample.
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Come on, dude. Everybody knows the regular season Auburn win was only because we were beat up after playing a tough east schedule.
Bama, LSU, MSU, A&M trumps UF, UT, USC and Vandy. Only a fool or UGA fans sees it otherwise.
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The only thing that matters is what actually happens on the field.
Like I said, 4-5 against the West, but have won the East two years in a row. That says it all.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 10:56 am to Irons Puppet
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Bama, LSU and Auburn. Pretty wide sample.
Not really. I mean, again, who has Gus lost to from the East? Does that prove Gus is bad, or that the East is better than the west?
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Come on, dude. Everybody knows the regular season Auburn win was only because we were beat up after playing a tough east schedule.
Bama, LSU, MSU, A&M trumps UF, UT, USC and Vandy. Only a fool or UGA fans sees it otherwise.
the west is tougher than the east. I and just about everybody has acknowledged that. I was merely pointing out that nobody really uses the injury excuse like Auburn does. I mean, should we take the 2017 Iron Bowl out because Alabama was so beat up (6 LB's out, I believe)? Does it still count? Of course it does....or does Gus have one less win against Alabama?
If Auburn wants to claim irrelevance for the 2017 SECCG because of injuries, then Alabama gets to call the same thing for the 2017 Iron Bowl. You can't have it both ways.
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Like I said, 4-5 against the West, but have won the East two years in a row. That says it all.
So we just ignore that we have played the best teams from the west? I mean the losses you want to count were against Alabama, Auburn and LSU.
I guess Auburn is not as strong a program as I thought since Gus is only 7-6 against a much weaker East.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 11:06 am to DawgsLife
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Not really. I mean, again, who has Gus lost to from the East? Does that prove Gus is bad, or that the East is better than the west?
Just UGA until last years UT game over 5 Seasons. Imagine how much more competitive he would be in the East.
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If Auburn wants to claim irrelevance for the 2017 SECCG because of injuries, then Alabama gets to call the same thing for the 2017 Iron Bowl. You can't have it both ways.
It is at least apples to apples. Both schools played the same gauntlet of the West.
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So we just ignore that we have played the best teams from the west? I mean the losses you want to count were against Alabama, Auburn and LSU.
No it just shows that Kirby would be third or fourth in the West. His job security would be less than Richt under those circumstances.
This post was edited on 2/12/19 at 11:08 am
Posted on 2/12/19 at 11:07 am to DinosaursAreReal
Cause Auburn sucks
Posted on 2/12/19 at 11:14 am to Irons Puppet
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Just UGA until last years UT game over 5 Seasons. Imagine how much more competitive he would be in the East.
I don't know. The Tennessee team he lost to had not won a conference game in a year or two. You would think if Auburn was so good they would have a better record against east teams than 7-6.
quote:Good. Then I guess we can say that Auburn should never have been in the SECCG in 2017, then, since Alabama was beat up in the Iron Bowl.
It is at least apples to apples. Both schools played the same gauntlet of the West.
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No it just shows that Kirby would be third or fourth in the West. His job security would be less than Richt under those circumstances.
No it doesn't. If Georgia had been in the west everything would have been different. You can't say nothing would have changed. Who knows what might have happened? We might have been better, or we might have been worse. I mean, we could easily say thta if Georgia were in the west, then Auburn would be finishing at best third in the West, and possibly worse.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 11:14 am to DinosaursAreReal
The biggest issue he has is consistency. AU has been feast or famine, some times in adjoining seasons, and sometimes in the very same season (see 2017).
Posted on 2/12/19 at 11:31 am to DawgsLife
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I don't know. The Tennessee team he lost to had not won a conference game in a year or two. You would think if Auburn was so good they would have a better record against east teams than 7-6.
That game nearly cost Gus his job, but it was one game.
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You would think if Auburn was so good they would have a better record against east teams than 7-6.
GUS is 8-6 against the East. His problem has been UGA, but he has beaten them in 2 of his 6 seasons and he blew the 2016 game, so it is not quit as bad as it looks. If only we played in the East on a regular basis.
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No it doesn't. If Georgia had been in the west everything would have been different. You can't say nothing would have changed. Who knows what might have happened? We might have been better, or we might have been worse. I mean, we could easily say thta if Georgia were in the west, then Auburn would be finishing at best third in the West, and possibly worse.
Again, what would the record for UGA be like if they had to play MSU, LSU, Bama, A&M and AU in back to back weeks. In 2017, UGA did not play a ranked SECE team all year. Easy to lick your wounds after a physical team with that schedule.
This post was edited on 2/12/19 at 11:44 am
Posted on 2/12/19 at 12:08 pm to Irons Puppet
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That game nearly cost Gus his job, but it was one game.
But there were 5 other losses.
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GUS is 8-6 against the East. His problem has been UGA, but he has beaten them in 2 of his 6 seasons and he blew the 2016 game, so it is not quit as bad as it looks. If only we played in the East on a regular basis.
So, close games don't count? Does that mean we have another national Championship for 2017 and another SECC in 2018? I mean, Kirby blew those games and they were very, very close, so..... quote:
If only we played in the East on a regular basis.
If you did you would still have Alabama as your cross rival, and would lose at least two games on a regular basis. Maybe more considering you would have lost to Tennessee last year and maybe your second west team....and who knows how Auburn would have done against Florida last year. I suspect not much would change if you were in the East.
quote:I don't know and neither do you. I do know that Auburn does not play that schedule. You played:
Again, what would the record for UGA be like if they had to play MSU, LSU, Bama, A&M and AU in back to back weeks.
Arkansas after LSU. (Alabama State before LSU)
Tennessee after MState (Southern Mississippi before)
Georgia after A&M (Legit) (Ole Miss before)
Bama after Liberty
So, Auburn does not have a whole lot to complain about.
I mean Georgia played:
#13 LSU
#9 Florida
#9 Kentucky
#24 Auburn
back to back to back. So yeah. I am having a little bit of difficulty feeling sorry for Auburn.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 12:09 pm to Irons Puppet
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UGA did not play a ranked SECE team all year.
South Carolina and Kentucky were both ranked and so was Florida. Both west teams were ranked, too.
You better go back and check.
We played as many ranked teams as Auburn did!
(And that doesn't count our bowl games)
ETA
We played 7 ranked teams while Auburn played 5. tell me about that tough schedule y'all played again?
This post was edited on 2/12/19 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 2/12/19 at 12:19 pm to Irons Puppet
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Where did I and Wikipedia miss something ?
Because you are looking at 2017 and not 2018.
ESPN 2018...last season.
Awww...man....you edited?
This post was edited on 2/12/19 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 2/12/19 at 12:23 pm to DawgsLife
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Because you are looking at 2017 and not 2018.
ESPN 2018...last season.
Awww...man....you edited?
No, that is what I was talking about from the beginning. I was talking about UGA best year in 37 seasons. Something that wouldn't have happened if they played in the West.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 12:28 pm to Irons Puppet
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No, that is what I was talking about from the beginning. I was talking about UGA best year in 37 seasons. Something that wouldn't have happened if they played in the West.
Look. You edited your post to say what you wanted to say after we were talking. Now you are stretching. I'm not trying to troll Auburn. I have even said a couple of times I thought Gus was a good coach.
This went off the rails only because I answered an Auburn posters question...and I did it in a non troll, honest way. he wanted to know what Kirby had done that Gus had not. I answered several times and now you want to twist, edit and change stuff.
Why don't we just agree to disagree. When I make legitimate points you manage to ignore them. Now you want to pick out an isolated year 9After editing to make it say that)
You still can't get past that we had a better record while playing a tougher schedule the last two years, yet you want to insist things would only be different if Auburn played in the East. Sorry. They wouldn't.
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