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re: Why are Texas recruits so coveted?
Posted on 5/20/13 at 6:48 pm to The Sultan of Swine
Posted on 5/20/13 at 6:48 pm to The Sultan of Swine
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Hypothetically, if Arkansas could cherry pick any in-state kids they wanted and never lost Arkansas kids to their neighbors, you could probably field a pretty competitive football team made up of nothing but Arkansas kids. But the state doesn't have enough talent to feed more than 1 perennial top 15-25ish team. If you lose even a few of your in state targets to Bama/A&M/LSU, etc, you have no choice but to hope for the best in other states to fill the void.
Texas has enough talent to field 2 elite level college football teams and 3-4 top 15-25ish teams. Usually that means 2 of A&M/OU/UTex are top 10 teams with almost all Texas talent, while the one left out is a notch down. Then you've got Baylor/TCU/TT/OSU also feeding almost exclusively off of Texas talent, and while not considered mainstays in the top 10, they've all had 10+ win seasons in the last 5-6 years.
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The point is, we get a lot of recruits from both Arkansas and Texas, and the majority of them are in the 3-4* range. So you wouldn't expect that there would be that many more Arkansas recruits than Texas recruits turning into good players.
Either Texas recruits are being overrated or Arkansas recruits are underrated, or maybe a little of both.
A lot of truth in both of these posts. I do believe that a lot of Arkansas recruits tend to be underrated, more so than Texas recruits being overrated.
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Posted on 5/20/13 at 6:48 pm to gnarkill1529
You can't say you don't know what Cam would have done in year two at Auburn after he wins ROTY and sets records in the nfl. Cam is way better than AJ. It's not even close.
Posted on 5/20/13 at 6:51 pm to TreyAnastasio
ill take the results AJ has given so far at Alabama over what cam could do. jmo
cam doesn't fit well in drop back system or play action system. look what nfl teams did to him this year, his 2nd year.
cam doesn't fit well in drop back system or play action system. look what nfl teams did to him this year, his 2nd year.
This post was edited on 5/20/13 at 6:52 pm
Posted on 5/20/13 at 6:51 pm to gnarkill1529
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The great thing about your scenario is we will never know so its kind of illogical to use that formula.
Of course it is because it doesn't prove your point
You're a damn fool if you believe otherwise. Bama's teams have been stacked with players around AJ. You can't say the same thing for AU when Cam was there.
Posted on 5/20/13 at 6:53 pm to gnarkill1529
quote:Hey buddy, you are the one that stated AJ McCarron was light years above Cam Newton and Tim Tebow when it comes to passing ability.
You can check my above post but this isn't the NFL I could give 2 shites less about what they do in the NFL.
Even if you were strictly talking college football, and hopefully so with the success Cam Newton has had in the NFL thus far, that statement would be imperatively false.
AJ McCarron: 175.3 rating, 2,933 yards, 30 touchdowns
Cam Newton: 182.0 rating, 2,854 yards, 30 touchdowns
Tim Tebow: 172.5 rating, 3,286 yards, 32 touchdowns
Listed above are the best yearly passing totals that each have gathered.
Posted on 5/20/13 at 6:53 pm to Drewbie
quote:Quantity has a quality all its own.
Why are Texas recruits so coveted?
Do you know how many 4 star recruits Arkansas produced in 2012 and 2013?
Arkansas High School Football produced:
Two 4-Star recruits in 2012
Two 4-Star recruits in 2013.
Do you know how many 4-star recruits Texas High School Football produced in 2012 and 2013?
Lone Star High School Football produced:
Four 5-Star and Thirty-Four 4-Star recruits in 2012
Two 5-star and Forty-One 4-Star recruits in 2013.
That is why Texas recruits are so coveted!
Posted on 5/20/13 at 6:55 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
I already said that I would give you Cam what else do you want lol
Posted on 5/20/13 at 6:56 pm to Drewbie
If you have to ask then you don't deserve an answer
Posted on 5/20/13 at 6:58 pm to Chizzin ain't Easy
wow AJ had more yards than Cam that's suprising. still doesn't change my opinion that I would take AJ Over both of them. not to mention cam and tebow played in those run and gun offenses...and probably had 50 to 100 more attempts than AJ...I don't feel like looking up the totals but I will if you like
Posted on 5/20/13 at 6:59 pm to gnarkill1529
quote:It may be time to pull out some "bow" emojis to this post Excellent job, sir.
You can't say you don't know what Cam would have done in year two at Auburn after he wins ROTY and sets records in the nfl. Cam is way better than AJ. It's not even close.
quote:I do not even know why I continue to argue with you. Your knowledge of football is as deep as the dried up pond in my back yard.
cam doesn't fit well in drop back system or play action system. look what nfl teams did to him this year, his 2nd year.
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2nd most passing yards by a rookie in a game (432), September 18, 2011 vs. Green Bay Packers[62]
2nd most passing yards by a rookie in a season (4,051), 2011
First rookie in NFL history to pass for more than 400 yards in back to back games, September 11, 2011 vs. Arizona Cardinals and September 18, 2011 vs. Green Bay Packers[62]
First rookie in NFL history to throw for 10 touchdowns and run for 10 touchdowns in a season.
First rookie quarterback in NFL history to throw for 4,000 yards in a season.
Most total touchdowns by a rookie NFL player: 35 (21 pass, 14 rush).
2nd Most rushing yards by a rookie quarterback: 706 (Record beat by Robert Griffin III)
Along with Andy Dalton, the two make the first pair of rookie QB's to make the Pro Bowl.
Most total yards by a rookie quarterback: 4,784.
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Most passing yards by a quarterback in debut game (422), September 11, 2011 vs. Arizona Cardinals
Most passing yards by a quarterback in first two games (854), September 11, 2011 vs. Arizona Cardinals and September 18, 2011 vs Green Bay Packers[63]
First quarterback in NFL history to pass for more than 400 yards in first career start, September 11, 2011 vs. Arizona Cardinals
Sixth quarterback to throw for 400+ yards in back to back games
First quarterback in NFL history to pass for more than 400 yards in first two career starts, September 11, 2011 vs. Arizona Cardinals and September 18, 2011 vs. Green Bay Packers[62]
Fastest player to throw for 1,000 yards (at Arizona Cardinals, vs Green Bay Packers, and vs Jacksonville Jaguars).
First player in NFL history with at least five rushing touchdowns and five passing touchdowns in his first five games[64]
Most rushing touchdowns in single season by a quarterback (14), achieved on December 4, 2011 vs Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Second player in NFL history with 20+ pass TDs and 10+ rush TDs in a season, Joining Kordell Stewart ('97).
First player in NFL history with 4,000+ pass yards and 10+ rush TDs in a season.
First player in NFL history with 4,000+ pass yards and 500+ rush yards in a season.
Had a passing touchdown and a rushing touchdown in the same game eight times, tying the NFL single-season record – previously. accomplished by Steve Grogan of the New England Patriots in 1976 and Daunte Culpepper of the Minnesota Vikings in 2002.
25th NFL player to have 20 rushing TD's in first two seasons (First QB Ever to do it)
1st QB in NFL history with at least 500 yards rushing in first two seasons.
1st player in NFL History to have over 250 passing yards and over 100 rushing yards with a passing TD and rushing TD in a game. (vs Falcons September 12, 2012, 287yards 2TD's, 116yds rushing 1TD)
1st player to have 30 passing TD's and 20 rushing TD's in first two seasons
Most passing yards in first two years (7,920)
Posted on 5/20/13 at 7:02 pm to gnarkill1529
quote:Oops, I missed it
I already said that I would give you Cam what else do you want lo
Posted on 5/20/13 at 7:03 pm to Drewbie
quote:Cheers to you for a great troll thread that got everyone arguing
Drewbie
Posted on 5/20/13 at 7:04 pm to Drewbie
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It may be different for other teams, but lately it seems like Arkansas' in-state talent has been head and shoulders above the Texas recruits coming in.
Darren McFadden - Arkansas
Peyton Hillis - Arkansas
Joe Adams - Arkansas
Greg Childs - Arkansas
Jarius Wright - Arkansas
Jake Bequette - Arkansas
Jamaal Anderson - Arkansas
Marcus Harrison - Arkansas
Jerry Franklin - Arkansas
Tyler Wilson - Arkansas
Shawn Andrews - Arkansas
Marcus Monk - Arkansas
Matt Jones - Arkansas
Jonathan Luigs - Arkansas
Cedric Cobbs - Arkansas
Knile Davis - Texas
Tony Ugoh - Texas
Chris Houston - Texas
Caleb Miller - Texas
I'm putting Texarkana players in a separate category:
Cobi Hamilton - Texas
Dennis Johnson - Arkansas
Ryan Mallett - (finished high school in Texas, but from Arkansas)
Is Texas high school overrated due to its publicity and reputation or is Arkansas in-state talent that underrated?
It is.
Johnny Manziel
RG3
Andrew Luck
Need I continue?
Posted on 5/20/13 at 7:05 pm to Chizzin ain't Easy
Calm down Bud Cam is just another average QB in the NFL...his legs get him out of a lot of the crap he gets into and is prone to throw interceptions. Ill take the guy who wins super bowls over the guy who breaks records
Posted on 5/20/13 at 7:11 pm to gnarkill1529
quote:That must be why he was voted Pro-Bowl as a Rookie, and why his peers voted him onto the list of Top 100 Players in the NFL.
Calm down Bud Cam is just another average QB in the NFL...
quote:He has thrown his fair share of interceptions, but he is not exactly surrounded by the best cast.
his legs get him out of a lot of the crap he gets into and is prone to throw interceptions
quote:Who is this guy that is winning Super Bowls?
Ill take the guy who wins super bowls over the guy who breaks records
Posted on 5/20/13 at 7:12 pm to Chizzin ain't Easy
He can't win in NFL. QB stats are loaded when playing from behind. Ask his coach for his opinion.
Posted on 5/20/13 at 7:14 pm to nc14
quote:Yeah, let us go ahead and forget who drafted him. The 2-14 Carolina Panthers.
He can't win in NFL.
How dare him not win more games so early in his career. They have only improved every season with him at quarterback.
Posted on 5/20/13 at 7:14 pm to Chizzin ain't Easy
I don't have a clue about this year...was cam voted to the pro bowl?
there are plenty of other QBs in the nfl I would take over cam and there are plenty in the college game I would take over him...jmo sorry lol
but this isn't even the subject of the topic in the thread. sorry mods to get off on this tangent
there are plenty of other QBs in the nfl I would take over cam and there are plenty in the college game I would take over him...jmo sorry lol
but this isn't even the subject of the topic in the thread. sorry mods to get off on this tangent
Posted on 5/20/13 at 7:16 pm to gnarkill1529
quote:There is no need to apologize for your own stupidity.
there are plenty of other QBs in the nfl I would take over cam and there are plenty in the college game I would take over him...jmo sorry lol
Posted on 5/20/13 at 7:17 pm to Chizzin ain't Easy
Do what? Improved?
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