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Who are the most useless schools once they make the CWS?
Posted on 5/25/21 at 12:06 am
Posted on 5/25/21 at 12:06 am
Rate of 2-and-out appearances in CWS – SEC
Total CWS appearances in parenthesis
Texas A&M: 67% (6)
Auburn: 60% (5)
Georgia: 50% (6)
Ole Miss: 40% (5)
Florida: 33% (12)
Arkansas: 30% (10)
Tennessee: 25% (4)
LSU: 22% (18)
South Carolina: 18% (11)
Mississippi State: 18% (11)
Missouri: 17% (6)
Alabama: 0% (5)
Vanderbilt: 0% (4)
Highest 2-and-out rate in CWS history (min. 5 app)
Northern Colorado: 70% (10 app)
Texas A&M: 67%
Auburn: 60%
Maine: 57% (7 app)
Georgia: 50%
Total CWS appearances in parenthesis
Texas A&M: 67% (6)
Auburn: 60% (5)
Georgia: 50% (6)
Ole Miss: 40% (5)
Florida: 33% (12)
Arkansas: 30% (10)
Tennessee: 25% (4)
LSU: 22% (18)
South Carolina: 18% (11)
Mississippi State: 18% (11)
Missouri: 17% (6)
Alabama: 0% (5)
Vanderbilt: 0% (4)
Highest 2-and-out rate in CWS history (min. 5 app)
Northern Colorado: 70% (10 app)
Texas A&M: 67%
Auburn: 60%
Maine: 57% (7 app)
Georgia: 50%
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Posted on 5/25/21 at 12:14 am to James_Brian_Hellwig
I prefer 2-&-Thru
Posted on 5/25/21 at 12:54 am to James_Brian_Hellwig
FSU made 0-2 and a Q as in BBQ famous. Been to the Final 3-4 times with a goose egg. Most futile team in CWS History. Not even close.
This post was edited on 5/25/21 at 1:00 am
Posted on 5/25/21 at 5:10 am to James_Brian_Hellwig
Maine > Aggy
Science.
Science.
Posted on 5/25/21 at 5:20 am to James_Brian_Hellwig
Arkansas without question
Posted on 5/25/21 at 7:31 am to James_Brian_Hellwig
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Mississippi State: 18% (11)
To have this kind of success upon reaching Omaha and still not have a title is insane
Posted on 5/25/21 at 8:01 am to James_Brian_Hellwig
That is why Childress is gone
Posted on 5/25/21 at 8:34 am to tylerdurden24
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To have this kind of success upon reaching Omaha and still not have a title is insane
Posted on 5/25/21 at 8:38 am to James_Brian_Hellwig
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Florida: 33% (12)
This brings much shame upon our dojo.
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Georgia: 50% (6)
Eh, maybe it's not so bad after all.
Posted on 5/25/21 at 8:57 am to Muthsera
And yet we have the same number of national titles…
Posted on 5/25/21 at 9:04 am to James_Brian_Hellwig
2-12 in Omaha. We've been stuck at good. Lots of regionals. Bunch of supers too.
But it's all good. Next hire will put us over the top! Unless it doesn't. Then it'll be the one after that.
But it's all good. Next hire will put us over the top! Unless it doesn't. Then it'll be the one after that.
Posted on 5/25/21 at 9:25 am to 4Ghost
quote:Yea I always knew it as "2-and-BBQ"
FSU made 0-2 and a Q as in BBQ famous. Been to the Final 3-4 times with a goose egg. Most futile team in CWS History. Not even close.
And FSU truly is shocking. I think Martin's teams alone went a combined 20 times or something and never won it once. Hardly ever even made it to the finals
Posted on 5/25/21 at 9:38 am to XWing atAliciousness
Yep
Florida State is very surprising that they have not won it all at some point. They have had a number of great teams. Just shows that you have to have a great team and then some luck along with being hot during that week.
State has had several teams capable but just did not get it done. 1979, 84, 85, 89, 2013, 16, 18 were teams capable of winning it all but did not.
The ‘79 team beat the eventual champion CS-Fullerton in the first game but could not sustain the momentum.
Fullerton won an incredible 6 games in a row to win it. That was back when it was a true 8 team CWS. No two brackets etc like today. Every body was in the same hat. If you lost in the first or second round, it was nearly impossible to win it. What Fullerton did was amazing.
For State, the ‘84, ‘89 and 2016 teams did not even make it to Omaha yet were three of our best ever teams who could have won a NC.
Just takes a lot factors to align together to win the whole thing.
Florida State is very surprising that they have not won it all at some point. They have had a number of great teams. Just shows that you have to have a great team and then some luck along with being hot during that week.
State has had several teams capable but just did not get it done. 1979, 84, 85, 89, 2013, 16, 18 were teams capable of winning it all but did not.
The ‘79 team beat the eventual champion CS-Fullerton in the first game but could not sustain the momentum.
Fullerton won an incredible 6 games in a row to win it. That was back when it was a true 8 team CWS. No two brackets etc like today. Every body was in the same hat. If you lost in the first or second round, it was nearly impossible to win it. What Fullerton did was amazing.
For State, the ‘84, ‘89 and 2016 teams did not even make it to Omaha yet were three of our best ever teams who could have won a NC.
Just takes a lot factors to align together to win the whole thing.
Posted on 5/25/21 at 9:49 am to Godawgs4
Baseball is weird, and Florida State is just another good example how hard it actually is to win it all.
I also believe that our 2010 team was head-and-shoulders better than the 09 team before and 2011 team after. But it got bounced by Matt Purke and TCU in its own super and didn't even make it to Omaha while that 09 team was an out away in Game 1 from winning it all.
College baseball is about getting hot at the right time. If you can do that, after also being a top 8 team all year, then you always have a legitimate shot. Some fans just don't realize that when your team gets to Omaha, every opponent from thereon is insanely hot and just won a regional and super regional against nothing but quality competition
quote:I hear you. Our 2004 team was one of the best in program history but fell short to Fullerton in the Finals 3 months after I watched them destroy Fullerton in Austin. Then the next year we don't even host a super and get it done in Omaha with the best ERA in CWS history. After losing two pitchers to the first round the year before. Go figure.
State has had several teams capable but just did not get it done. 1979, 84, 85, 89, 2013, 16, 18 were teams capable of winning it all but did not.
I also believe that our 2010 team was head-and-shoulders better than the 09 team before and 2011 team after. But it got bounced by Matt Purke and TCU in its own super and didn't even make it to Omaha while that 09 team was an out away in Game 1 from winning it all.
College baseball is about getting hot at the right time. If you can do that, after also being a top 8 team all year, then you always have a legitimate shot. Some fans just don't realize that when your team gets to Omaha, every opponent from thereon is insanely hot and just won a regional and super regional against nothing but quality competition
Posted on 5/25/21 at 10:41 am to XWing atAliciousness
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Fullerton won an incredible 6 games in a row to win it. That was back when it was a true 8 team CWS. No two brackets etc like today. Every body was in the same hat. If you lost in the first or second round, it was nearly impossible to win it. What Fullerton did was amazing.
quote:I miss the older formats, although I freely admit it wasn't TV friendly. LSU used to power through their regionals on depth; would often enough drop a game sometime early, and still win because nobody had the pitching to stop them after the first two games. We'd see them do that in the CWS too.
College baseball is about getting hot at the right time. If you can do that, after also being a top 8 team all year, then you always have a legitimate shot. Some fans just don't realize that when your team gets to Omaha, every opponent from thereon is insanely hot and just won a regional and super regional against nothing but quality competition
I know State owns the "GRIND" thing, but that was LSU Baseball's MO back in the glory days. Just fricking ground teams down.
The newer format really eliminates that. The 4 team regionals barely push you beyond a normal weekend rotation, the super regional IS a normal weekend series. And the CWS is just the same as above. There's no more attrition, not like it used to be.
Posted on 5/25/21 at 10:53 am to James_Brian_Hellwig
We back into our baseball success. Funny we have a title and played for another. Hell, Ron Polk frankly couldn't help us.
Have a nice but smaller facility and rich recruiting grounds.
Had a team that could win it all last season, this year is another back in.
Have a nice but smaller facility and rich recruiting grounds.
Had a team that could win it all last season, this year is another back in.
Posted on 5/25/21 at 11:06 am to Godawgs4
The 1984 and 1989 teams were arguably the best two teams State ever fielded, and they both failed to reach the CWS.
State lost the opening game of the regional to South Carolina, then blitzed back and scored 42 runs in three games to reach the final against UNO.
New Orleans won the regional final 6-3. That UNO team won a game against Michigan in Omaha, but lost to Texas and Oklahoma State.
1989, State won the SEC and won 50 games in the regular season. They beat Western Carolina and Nicholls before falling to an upstart North Carolina team. Came back and beat Indiana State and UNC to force a second game but couldnt get it done. UNC got seeded 8th in Omaha and went two and out.
1985 stings MSU because we were probably the best team in Omaha. We beat Michigan 19-8 in the regional final and won our first two games in Omaha against Oklahoma State and Arkansas before losing a late lead against Texas and then 6-5 against eventual champ Miami in a re-ordered semifinal.
If we hold that lead against Texas, we are in the final on three days rest having to lose twice with two All-American pitchers with enough rest. That loss made us turn around and play Miami the next day. That old format was brutal.
State lost the opening game of the regional to South Carolina, then blitzed back and scored 42 runs in three games to reach the final against UNO.
New Orleans won the regional final 6-3. That UNO team won a game against Michigan in Omaha, but lost to Texas and Oklahoma State.
1989, State won the SEC and won 50 games in the regular season. They beat Western Carolina and Nicholls before falling to an upstart North Carolina team. Came back and beat Indiana State and UNC to force a second game but couldnt get it done. UNC got seeded 8th in Omaha and went two and out.
1985 stings MSU because we were probably the best team in Omaha. We beat Michigan 19-8 in the regional final and won our first two games in Omaha against Oklahoma State and Arkansas before losing a late lead against Texas and then 6-5 against eventual champ Miami in a re-ordered semifinal.
If we hold that lead against Texas, we are in the final on three days rest having to lose twice with two All-American pitchers with enough rest. That loss made us turn around and play Miami the next day. That old format was brutal.
This post was edited on 5/25/21 at 11:10 am
Posted on 5/25/21 at 11:12 am to anc
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1989
quote:forgive me if I’m wrong, but I thought it was Ben McDonald and LSU who bounced them that year in the college station regional?
Fullerton beat Aggy in Starkville to reach Omaha and then finished third in Omaha
We lost to Wichita State in the finals in the first year of the winner take all championship format. Had it been played any year before, they would’ve had to beat us twice. Gus didn’t want any hitch on the way to the championship so he pitched our ace game 1 and game 3. It backfired
ETA: disregard the first part, I saw you edited
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Posted on 5/25/21 at 11:49 am to XWing atAliciousness
I think we would’ve beaten Texas in a series at least one of those times..
Posted on 5/25/21 at 11:58 am to James_Brian_Hellwig
I'm interested to see how this coaching search works out for A&M. A lot of this is timing, and there is a lot more involved than money. Obtaining Fisher for football wasn't just about the money. - it was his unhappiness at FSU, and other factors as well. As far as baseball is concerned, a large factor to consider is who LSU will target, because any overlap in the two searches will favor LSU - better history, baseball support, etc.
A&M has a lot going for it (SEC, proximity to Houston, money, etc) but hasn't been able to make it over the hump. A lot of promise and potential, but no results yet.
I think LSU will shoot for the moon (which helps A&M) because that is Woodward's style. And then it will be a year or two before we can see if the next coach can do what Childress simply could not
A&M has a lot going for it (SEC, proximity to Houston, money, etc) but hasn't been able to make it over the hump. A lot of promise and potential, but no results yet.
I think LSU will shoot for the moon (which helps A&M) because that is Woodward's style. And then it will be a year or two before we can see if the next coach can do what Childress simply could not
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