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re: Which other SEC programs could have won titles with Lester and Ed?
Posted on 6/18/21 at 7:49 pm to CapstoneGrad06
Posted on 6/18/21 at 7:49 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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So not Saban at all, right?
I think Saban put the engine in the car but others have kept it full of gas and changed the oil.
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Posted on 6/18/21 at 7:50 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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So not Saban at all, right?
Going to get Saban is part of wanting to win and then he built the program into a winner. Then Miles maintained it for a while. The program declined so much that he had to be fired. Orgeron was hired over a decade after Saban left. Orgeron then filled holes and won a championship. Saying that Orgeon won a championship because of what Saban built is ridiculous.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 7:54 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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I mean, they did eventually hire a Saban guy that brought their best success since Saban and arguably the 1960s.
I would say he was more of a Tressel guy than a Saban guy.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 7:55 pm to TigerLunatik
My original statement was facetious. Or course it’s ridiculous to state that Orgeron only won in 2019 because Saban built something from 2000-2004. But I’m not entirely convinced Orgeron could have built a wandering program into a title winner either.
And to the point of this entire thread: who could win with two dolts? I guess ones on very solid footing.
And to the point of this entire thread: who could win with two dolts? I guess ones on very solid footing.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 7:55 pm to SidewalkTiger
Also, LSU signed the number 1 class in 1999 then Saban was hired in November 1999. It's not like he walked into a bare cupboard.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 7:56 pm to SidewalkTiger
He coached DBs under Saban at Michigan State from 1995-1999. He was hired in large part because of the success as DC at Ohio State. But the familiarly got his foot in the door.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 7:57 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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My original statement was facetious.
As was mine about Michigan State. It's a troll thread and I'm wasting time before Bering Sea Gold comes on. It's a guilty pleasure.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 7:59 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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He coached DBs under Saban at Michigan State from 1995-1999. He was hired in large part because of the success as DC at Ohio State. But the familiarly got his foot in the door.
He was the secondary coach on Tressel's staff at Youngstown State prior to being hired by Saban.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 8:05 pm to SidewalkTiger
Are we going to argue over how trees work? I think coaches can be on multiple coaching trees. Saban would be Don James and Bill Belichick.
And that all being said, Dantonio was a GA at Ohio State when Saban coached DBs there in 1980-81.
And that all being said, Dantonio was a GA at Ohio State when Saban coached DBs there in 1980-81.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 8:08 pm to TigerLunatik
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If any program can win a title after being built up by Saban, why hasn't Michigan State been more successful?
He didn’t finish building it
Posted on 6/18/21 at 8:09 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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And that all being said, Dantonio was a GA at Ohio State when Saban coached DBs there in 1980-81.
No, Dantonio was at Ohio University and Saban was at Ohio State.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 8:11 pm to SidewalkTiger
You are correct. He wasn’t an GA at Ohio State until later along with tressel.
I could have sworn Dantonio and Saban had an even earlier connection than Michigan State. Must have been just coaching clinics and such.
I could have sworn Dantonio and Saban had an even earlier connection than Michigan State. Must have been just coaching clinics and such.
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 8:13 pm
Posted on 6/19/21 at 12:27 am to RollTide1987
quote:We'll know after this season.
Ed Orgeron may or may not be the second coming of Gene Chizik. His track record prior to his arrival at LSU tends to support that hypothesis but who knows at this point? It's too early to tell.
Many sane adults in the fan base are absolutely ready (As is the AD) to buy a new Shrimp Boat for Captain Eddie and send him down Bayou Lafourche.
He'll have to kill it this season or that's going to happen.............
Posted on 6/19/21 at 12:52 am to CapstoneGrad06
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Clearly they won because of what Saban built.
O definitely won because he beat what Saban built.
This post was edited on 6/19/21 at 12:52 am
Posted on 6/19/21 at 4:01 am to TigerLunatik
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Also, LSU signed the number 1 class in 1999 then Saban was hired in November 1999. It's not like he walked into a bare cupboard.
This is inaccurate. According to ESPN's Tom Lemming, this is how the recruiting classes would have fallen from 1998-2000.
1998
1. Michigan
2. UCLA
3. Notre Dame
4. Alabama
5. Florida State
6. Georgia
7. LSU
8. Florida
9. North Carolina
10. Tennessee
1999
1. Texas
2. Georgia
3. Notre Dame
4. Ohio State
5. Alabama
6. Texas A&M
7. UCLA
8. Michigan
9. LSU
10. Florida State
2000
1. Florida
2. Tennessee
3. Alabama
4. Florida State
5. Texas
6. Ohio State
7. Penn State
8. Michigan State
9. Notre Dame
10. Southern California
I vividly remember the 1999 recruiting class because my dad was very impressed with our haul that winter. It was the #2 class in the SEC behind only Georgia. You are correct, however, that he didn't walk into a bare cupboard. He had a decent roster with two Top 10 recruiting classes on board.
This post was edited on 6/19/21 at 4:03 am
Posted on 6/19/21 at 4:09 am to texag7
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Pervert Miles got in with 2 losses. That’s more luck than coaching skills
Aggy no talky about NCs.
Hitler had just invaded Poland when y'all last won one.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 4:15 am to RollTide1987
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ou are correct, however, that he didn't walk into a bare cupboard. He had a decent roster with two Top 10 recruiting classes on board.
Dinardo laid the foundation. Saban built the house.
Gerry Dinardo gets unfairly lumped in with Hallman as a terrible coach. He wasn't.
He was a great recruiter who closed the walls on Louisiana talent going out of state to FSU and the likes, and got the higher ups to start investing into the program.
Saban took those two things that Gerry began and built upon them.
Those two things that Gerry started are the two reasons Saban decided to take the LSU job.
LSU is fortunate enough to know that our program is stable enough to survive coaching changes and still achieve success. Tenn wasn't. Miami wasn't. FSU wasn't.
One day Bama will have to find out if they are or not.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 5:50 am to TigerLunatik
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How many titles has Michigan State won?
Lunatik with the bitch slap.
Then, watch the gumps try to move the goalposts.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 6:01 am to RollTide1987
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LSU signed the number 1 class in 1999 then Saban was hired in November 1999. It's not like he walked into a bare cupboard.
This is inaccurate.
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Posted on 6/19/21 at 6:12 am to SidewalkTiger
Do they lose to two unranked teams and still get to the NC game?
Do they get to have Joe Burrow as their QB and Joe Brady as their "passing game coordinator?"
Probably multiple.
Do they get to have Joe Burrow as their QB and Joe Brady as their "passing game coordinator?"
Probably multiple.
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