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Which CFB teams are on the verge of taking the next step to elite status?
Posted on 1/26/23 at 9:17 am
Posted on 1/26/23 at 9:17 am
Via Josh Pate:
Michigan
LSU
USC
Penn State
Oregon
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Michigan
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"I don't think Michigan's elite yet. Don't you have to have at least won a playoff game to be considered elite? They're in a really, really good category. The only thing that I think would hold them back from entering that elite category is just roster talent. They got a really good team coming back. I thought they were plenty good enough this year. I truly think they choked away a golden opportunity in that semifinal game."
"As good as they are at evaluation and development, how different would it be if their overall roster talent was another notch up? If they were recruiting top 10 classes instead of top 20 classes. They haven't finished top two in the Big Ten in the past two recruiting cycles. They should be better than that. I'm nitpicking, but Michigan is certainly a team that should be in this conversation."
LSU
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"They overachieved this year but to be elite, they need to stack a couple more classes on top of each other. They need offensive balance. They've got to be able to run the ball a lot better than they have the last several years. That's just upgrading offensive skill. They need more defensive depth. They're well on their way to doing it. They are recruiting the way that you should. They're probably a couple of years away when you're stacking those kinds of classes on top of each other."
"If we're asking who could be elite in the next couple of years, all the arrows are pointing in the right direction for them. There was some concern that Brian Kelly was going to have a secret struggle at recruiting -- not happening. They got the No. 1 portal class, and they're top 10 in recruiting. They're going to have the players."
USC
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"The biggest obstacle standing in their way is they need way better defensive talent -- way better. They're in the process of doing that. They are, at the very least, 1-2 classes away from that. I don't ever have to worry about the caliber of quarterback they're going to have, and I don't have to worry about offensive skill talent."
"I still fully believe there is a Lincoln Riley national championship year somewhere out there. It just hasn't happened yet. If we're looking down the road and someone is joining tier one of college football, it would be foolish to overlook USC. This isn't me saying 2023 is the year it happens, although maybe it is or maybe it isn't."
Penn State
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"Penn State returns all three starting linebackers this year. They have six offensive linemen returning with five-plus games of starting experience. They've got the best 1-2 running back combo in the Big Ten, though Michigan would argue that. Abdul Carter is going to warrant Defensive Player of the Year consideration, and it is Drew Allar season… That concludes the list of points Producer Jesse wanted me to make about Penn State and how bright the future is there. For the record, I'm kind of all in on Penn State."
Oregon
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"Oregon is recruiting as well as anyone is on the West Coast right now. Line of scrimmage talent is what they need to continue to upgrade. They're already doing it. We've chronicled what they're bringing in on the defensive line via every acquisition method imaginable. The defense has to improve there. They weren't as good as I thought they'd been on that side of the ball."
"What you don't know is what they learned about themselves. You never know; there may be some moves or decisions or changes in philosophy that have a big impact. It's a lot more than did they get this player or that player."
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Posted on 1/26/23 at 9:21 am to SidewalkTiger
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LSU
...to be elite, they need to stack a couple more classes..they need offensive balance...they need more defensive depth
So to do well, all they need are better players, a better offense, and a better defense.
Okay.
Posted on 1/26/23 at 9:22 am to paperwasp
Didn’t need all that to beat Bama.
Posted on 1/26/23 at 9:22 am to SidewalkTiger
I think our definition of "elite" is going to change dramatically with the expanded playoff.
Posted on 1/26/23 at 9:22 am to paperwasp
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So to do well, all they need are better players, a better offense, and a better defense.
Okay.
Well it says depth for defense, which was one of the only problems we had all year. I will say we do need to recruit more linebackers because at this rate, we are gonna be screwed.
Posted on 1/26/23 at 9:23 am to paperwasp
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all they need are better players, a better offense, and a better defense.
Not to whoop your team
Posted on 1/26/23 at 9:25 am to kywildcatfanone
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None of the above
From a Kentucky fan. Lol
Posted on 1/26/23 at 9:25 am to SummerOfGeorge
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I think our definition of "elite" is going to change dramatically with the expanded playoff.
I agree
Posted on 1/26/23 at 9:33 am to paperwasp
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So to do well, all they need are better players, a better offense, and a better defense.
I think it really comes down to two things.
A lot of the offensive struggles have stemmed from a bad offensive line. LSU hasn't had a really good offensive line in a long time, even 2019 wasn't THAT great.
They seem to be stacking talent along the offensive line and despite starting two true freshmen on it last season, it improved greatly throughout the season.
I expect another true freshman, Zalance Heard, to start this season.
LSU absolutely has to build some defensive depth, they really wore down toward the end of last season in pretty much every facet. It was pretty evident in both the UAB and A&M games.
This post was edited on 1/26/23 at 9:34 am
Posted on 1/26/23 at 10:07 am to paperwasp
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LSU
...to be elite, they need to stack a couple more classes..they need offensive balance...they need more defensive depth
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So to do well, all they need are better players, a better offense, and a better defense.
Okay.
We may have the next Paul Finebaum in the makings.
Posted on 1/26/23 at 10:24 am to SidewalkTiger
quote:4 of the 5 OL starters are on active NFL rosters, and the one who isn't playing in the NFL was still 2nd team All SEC that season.
even 2019 wasn't THAT great.
Not to mention the LSU's OL won the Joe Moore award in 2019.
Posted on 1/26/23 at 10:40 am to SidewalkTiger
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A lot of the offensive struggles have stemmed from a bad offensive line. LSU hasn't had a really good offensive line in a long time, even 2019 wasn't THAT great.
2019 LSU's OL won the Joe Moore award for best OL in college football that year.
So... it was pretty good.
Posted on 1/26/23 at 10:40 am to Murph4HOF
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4 of the 5 OL starters are on active NFL rosters, and the one who isn't playing in the NFL was still 2nd team All SEC that season.
Not to mention the LSU's OL won the Joe Moore award in 2019.
Or what he said. ^^
Posted on 1/26/23 at 10:41 am to Murph4HOF
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Not to mention the LSU's OL won the Joe Moore award in 2019.
They were good but definitely not great.
Burrow and CEH made them look a lot better at times than they were.
Posted on 1/26/23 at 10:44 am to SidewalkTiger
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They were good but definitely not great.
Best OL in college football that year.
"They weren't that good."
Perhaps.... lower your expectations?
Posted on 1/26/23 at 10:45 am to SidewalkTiger
UGA.
With a NC next year, I feel like we can finally be considered to be elite. This past year didn't really count because OSU missed a FG and the year before didn't count because Bama's WR's couldn't stay healthy.
With a NC next year, I feel like we can finally be considered to be elite. This past year didn't really count because OSU missed a FG and the year before didn't count because Bama's WR's couldn't stay healthy.
Posted on 1/26/23 at 10:45 am to SidewalkTiger
Meh, I'm with Sidewalk. That was not an elite OL in terms of how they played that season. Burrow's insane pocket awareness and ability to move around helped them as pass blockers and CEH helped them as run blockers.
As it has turned out now from seeing their NFL results, there were a bunch of elite individual OL on that team, so I lean towards the scheme itself having something to do with it, but Burrow was pressured a ton comparatively and CEH's "yards before contact" numbers were not great at all.
It was pretty readily agreed upon on this board by both LSU fans and non-LSU fans that the OL was by far the weakest part of that offense.
As it has turned out now from seeing their NFL results, there were a bunch of elite individual OL on that team, so I lean towards the scheme itself having something to do with it, but Burrow was pressured a ton comparatively and CEH's "yards before contact" numbers were not great at all.
It was pretty readily agreed upon on this board by both LSU fans and non-LSU fans that the OL was by far the weakest part of that offense.
This post was edited on 1/26/23 at 10:48 am
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