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UPDATE..Bogus National Title claims: Alabama claims 17 but most are questionable
Let me preface this by saying that the BCS, started in 1998, was the best thing that happened to college football. It forced the top 2 teams to play each other in their final game of the season. Prior to that, the bowl alliances most often kept fans of the sport from seeing the top 2 teams play each other in the final game. As a matter of fact, from 1936 to 1997, the AP No. 1 and 2 teams only faced off in bowl games 11 times. This is where the phrase Mythical National Champion comes from.

Therefore, I contend that, prior to the first BCS Title game, if the top 2 teams at the end of the regular season did not face off in a bowl game, then we will never know if the team that was arbitrarily awarded the title that season was really the best team. For the purposes of my argument, I will use the AP rankings from 1936 to 1997, and the BCS rankings from 1998 to present. Of course, the winner of the new CFB playoff, started in 2014, is a legit title winner.

Alabama, which is a great program and arguably the greatest of all time, claims 17 national titles. But only 7 came in seasons in which they finished the regular season No. 1 or 2 and played the No. 1 or 2 team in their final game of the season. Alabama's legit titles came in 1978, 1992, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2015 and 2017.

Granted, Alabama had good teams in those other years in which they claim titles, but there was always at least one other school that could make the claim as the best team. But, since they didn't decide it on the field, title claims in those years lack legitimacy.

Following my sound logic, Notre Dame, which claims 11 national titles, has no legit titles...same with Michigan. Yes, you heard me right.

Southern Cal claims also claims 11 titles, but only 2 are legit. Oklahoma claims 7 titles but only one is legit. Ohio State claims 8 but only 3 are legit. There are lots more examples of this.

In conclusion, next time you see Alabama fans (or even Notre Dame fans) popping off about their national titles, just laugh at them and reference this write up. Both the BCS and the current playoff system will render many of those title claims silly (or in Notre Dame's case, all of them).

School (# of Legit Titles)...Title Seasons
Alabama (7): 1978, 1992, 2009, 2011*, 2012, 2015, 2017*
LSU (3): 2003, 2007, 2019
Florida St (3): 1993, 1999, 2013
Ohio State (3): 1968, 2002, 2014
Clemson (2): 2016, 2018
Florida (2): 2006, 2008
Nebraska (2): 1971, 1995
Penn State (2): 1982, 1986
Texas (2): 1963, 2005
USC (2): 1962, 2004
Miami (FL) (2): 1987, 2001
Auburn (1): 2010
Oklahoma (1): 2000
Tennessee (1): 1998

Legit Titles By Coach:
Nick Saban (6): 2003, 2009, 2011*, 2012, 2015, 2017*
Urban Meyer (3): 2006, 2008, 2014
Dabo Swinney (2): 2016, 2018
Bobby Bowden (2): 1993, 1999
Joe Paterno (2): 1982, 1986
Ed Orgeron (1): 2019
Les Miles (1): 2007
Mack Brown (1): 2005
Bob Stoops (1): 2000
Pete Carroll (1): 2004
Phil Fulmer (1): 1998
Gene Chizik (1): 2010
Tom Osborne (1): 1995
Jim Tressel (1): 2002
Woody Hayes (1): 1968
John McKay (1): 1962
Bob Devaney (1): 1971
Jimmy Johnson (1): 1987
Larry Coker (1): 2001
Darrell Royal (1): 1963
Jimbo Fisher (1): 2013
Bear Bryant (1): 1978
Gene Stallings (1): 1992

* Did not win division
This post was edited on 3/25 at 9:08 am


AllBamaDoesIsWin
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re: UPDATE..Bogus National Title claims: Alabama claims 17 but most are questionable


Chicken master troll.


WhiskerBiscuitSlayer
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re: UPDATE..Bogus National Title claims: Alabama claims 17 but most are questionable
Solid cluck.


beaver
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re: UPDATE..Bogus National Title claims: Alabama claims 17 but most are questionable
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Bogus National Title claims...Alabama claims 15 but most are questionable...


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Chicken




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NYCAuburn
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you should sticky this


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Tennessee Jed
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re: UPDATE..Bogus National Title claims: Alabama claims 17 but most are questionable
2007 LSU is not legit, it's the primary reason the BCS is/was a complete failure.


VermilionTiger
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re: UPDATE..Bogus National Title claims: Alabama claims 17 but most are questionable
Let's hear the Alabama douches respond to this thread like they do others


dawgfan24348
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re: UPDATE..Bogus National Title claims: Alabama claims 17 but most are questionable
No 1980?



genro
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re: UPDATE..Bogus National Title claims: Alabama claims 17 but most are questionable
Your method doesn't bother me. Basically you have to have won either an official or a de facto championship game in order to be the Champion.


As long as you're ok saying there was no Champion most seasons in college football history


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wadewilson
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Uh oh


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870Hog
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re: UPDATE..Bogus National Title claims: Alabama claims 17 but most are questionable
So you don't consider Arkansas' 1964 title legit.

:herewegogif:


arrakis
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re: UPDATE..Bogus National Title claims: Alabama claims 17 but most are questionable
Chicken has spoken/clucked and the issue is settled


NATidefan
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re: UPDATE..Bogus National Title claims: Alabama claims 17 but most are questionable
tl;dr

21-0


IAmReality
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re: UPDATE..Bogus National Title claims: Alabama claims 17 but most are questionable
So you used the most insantely strict criteria possible and concluded Alabama has more titles than anyone, in fact more than double of anyone.

Good job?
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VermilionTiger
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re: UPDATE..Bogus National Title claims: Alabama claims 17 but most are questionable
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2007 LSU is not legit, it's the primary reason the BCS is/was a complete failure.


It's legit

Who should have played in the title game that year?


bamafan425
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re: UPDATE..Bogus National Title claims: Alabama claims 17 but most are questionable
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Let's hear the Alabama douches respond to this thread like they do others


How dare Alabama fans respond to a thread about Alabama!


Agforlife
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re: UPDATE..Bogus National Title claims: Alabama claims 17 but most are questionable
100 pages
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dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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re: UPDATE..Bogus National Title claims: Alabama claims 17 but most are questionable
2003 was split and caused AP to leave. 2007 was consensus (AP, Coaches, FWAA).


quote:

Tennessee Jed



JuiceTerry
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re: UPDATE..Bogus National Title claims: Alabama claims 17 but most are questionable
So how many years was there no Champion?


dawg4lyfe
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re: UPDATE..Bogus National Title claims: Alabama claims 17 but most are questionable
No UGA for 1980?


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