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Tuscaloosa Patch has defense attorneys walk thru self-defense law re: Jamea Harris killing

Posted on 3/21/23 at 9:29 pm
Posted by BrerTiger
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Posted on 3/21/23 at 9:29 pm
Haven't read yet but wanted to share for others to read and discuss.

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The circumstances and video evidence raise potential questions of self-defense for both Davis and the other shooter — Harris' boyfriend Cedric Johnson — who was driving the Jeep during the incident and shot Davis twice.

If self-defense can be proven for Davis, then Miles, according to state law, would face no liability for providing the gun used in the fatal shooting. However, all bets for the defense will be off if the state can prove self-defense for Johnson.


Agreed. Both cases have a self-defense case but my money is on the guy in his own vehicle who appears to have seen Davis approaching his vehicle with a loaded weapon (we'll see if the state is able to make that case).

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In the Jamea Harris case, both Davis and Johnson were armed at the time of the shooting and fair arguments for self-defense, based on evidence read in court and viewed on video by Patch, are likely to be made for both shooters. Indeed, the defense attorney for Davis claims Johnson fired first on his client, while Johnson told police that Davis ran up to the driver's side window and began firing.


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Fine spoke at length about Alabama's "Stand Your Ground" law and provided an easy-to-understand, three-part checklist for determining if the actions during the incident met the criteria for protection under the law.

You've got to be attacked in a place that you have a right to be at.
You can't be engaged in unlawful activity.
Most importantly: You have to be justified with respect to whatever level of force is used.


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Fine also said in self-defense cases, the outcome oftentimes comes down to the questions asked of the jury at trial — a sentiment agreed upon by Albea.

"Anybody can claim self defense, but who really is defending themselves and who is the aggressor is going to be a trial issue," Albea said. "Somebody is defending themselves or somebody is the aggressor, you can't be both."


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This post was edited on 3/21/23 at 9:43 pm
Posted by BrerTiger
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Posted on 3/21/23 at 9:39 pm to
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With both sides claiming self-defense in the Jamea Harris case, Albea explained in the general sense the importance of determining which party was the aggressor.

"Under the law, you are not allowed to be the initial aggressor and claim self defense," he said. "It just doesn't work that way. If i go up to you, slap you upside the head, then you get mad and point a gun at me, I can't pull out a gun and shoot you, because then I would be the aggressor."

Albea then went on to mention Alabama's "Stand Your Ground" law, which was passed by the legislature in 2006. This changed the law to no longer require a "duty to retreat" on the part of the party claiming self-defense.

"That is no longer the case, so that's a big issue, too," he said. "You don't have to avoid it if somebody is trying to attack you, you can stand there and defend yourself with deadly force."


I realize all y'all wanna talk about is whether Miller should be suspended because Buck Fama but this is interesting shite.
Posted by BrerTiger
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Posted on 3/21/23 at 9:42 pm to
This MF from Patch be trolling:

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If there is extensive video evidence, Fine said, a circuit court judge during an immunity hearing will often look at it and determine if they were at the right place at the right time. Immunity hearings typically occur after an indictment by a grand jury and prior to a jury trial.
Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 3/21/23 at 10:07 pm to
We don’t have any reason to believe Davis or Miles would need to defend themselves from Cedric Johnson. Johnson was just out getting food, which Jamea Harris was keeping for him in the glove box and was kind enough to give to him before a gunfight broke out.






Posted by Bamadog75
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Posted on 3/21/23 at 10:22 pm to
I have to give him props on the matching underwear and shoes. Definitely has that ghetto style.
Posted by KingOfTheWorld
Member since Oct 2018
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Posted on 3/21/23 at 10:36 pm to
Just a wholesome, devoted and doting father out on the Strip on a Saturday night when he and his girl were victimized by murderous thugs. He was a role model. Such a shame.
Posted by GooseSix
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Posted on 3/21/23 at 10:41 pm to
Father of the year material without a doubt.
This post was edited on 3/21/23 at 10:42 pm
Posted by YStar
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Posted on 3/21/23 at 10:47 pm to
They have video of the entire incident and from what reporters who have been allowed to view the video have said the sparkle/flash (gunfire) initially comes from the jeep to which Davis runs away returning sparkle/flash (gunfire).

If that truly is the case it will be easy to prove Jamea's Boyfriend lied about them shooting first just like video has already proven he lied about getting boxed in, be given food from the glove compartment and being lost looking for a way home (yet got his other criminal buddy in the red impala to follow him and turned his lights off as he stalked Davis and Miles).


Posted by BrerTiger
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Posted on 3/21/23 at 10:49 pm to
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I have to give him props on the matching underwear and shoes.


And the Bama colors or Bloods (tomato/tomatoe)

Quite an ensemble. Definitely Killing His Way Through the SEC.

Posted by BrerTiger
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Posted on 3/21/23 at 10:58 pm to
I have a hunch nobody in this case is going to be able to make a self-defense claim stick because each side continued to escalate when they could have walked away.

Johnson did plenty to escalate but was inside a parked vehicle when Davis approached. Sure, he was stalking Davis but no reason for Davis to walk up with a loaded weapon other than to escalate things further.

I don't think Davis walks but I'll be surprised if capital murder sticks. Probably convict on or plea down to a lesser charge. Negligent homicide, who knows. Not a lawyer and they didn't go there in the article.
This post was edited on 3/21/23 at 11:16 pm
Posted by imjustafatkid
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Posted on 3/21/23 at 11:01 pm to
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You can't be engaged in unlawful activity.


I wonder how the being drunk while in possession of a firearm plays into this. Not sure either party would actually be able to claim this part.
This post was edited on 3/21/23 at 11:03 pm
Posted by BrerTiger
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Posted on 3/21/23 at 11:05 pm to
quote:

I wonder how the being drunk while in possession of a firearm plays into this.


Which party?

Wasn't Davis drunk outta his mind on Tito's and told the officer he didn't even remember what happened?

Whereas if Johnson was that drunk, you'd think they woulda popped him for DWI when he ran into campus police shortly after the incident. I'm sure he had been drinking and smoked some of the herb in his vehicle though.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
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Posted on 3/21/23 at 11:15 pm to
quote:

Cedric Johnson


Looks like an Alabama fan.
Posted by BrerTiger
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Posted on 3/21/23 at 11:17 pm to
quote:

Looks like an Alabama fan.


I bet if we scour the Interwebz with even 1/10 as much effort as these Gumps do to doxx little ole Stephen and Cedric Johnson that we could easily find photos of him in actual Bama gear.
Posted by cmayes56
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Posted on 3/21/23 at 11:20 pm to
My money is on the guy that was stalked and rolled up on.

Seems weird that nobody wants to talk about the fact that the Jeep circled the block with his headlights off and only pulled up when Davis appeared.

Nobody wants to talk about the pot in the Jeep, the extra gun and the clip to the gun that has mysteriously disappeared ..

Go ahead and down vote.. but every thing I just typed is on record as fact
Posted by imjustafatkid
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Posted on 3/21/23 at 11:20 pm to
quote:

Whereas if Johnson was that drunk, you'd think they woulda popped him for DWI when he ran into campus police shortly after the incident.


Maybe, but I'm sure the dead body in his car took precedence.
Posted by BrerTiger
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Posted on 3/21/23 at 11:21 pm to
quote:

Maybe, but I'm sure the dead body in his car took precedence.


No doubt.
Posted by BrerTiger
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Posted on 3/22/23 at 12:34 am to
quote:

I bet if we scour the Interwebz with even 1/10 as much effort as these Gumps do to doxx little ole Stephen and Cedric Johnson that we could easily find photos of him in actual Bama gear.



Well, I stand corrected.

Kinda amazed he hasn't locked that account down.



Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 3/22/23 at 1:05 am to
That is quite the plot twist.
Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 3/22/23 at 1:12 am to
Cute

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