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Posted on 4/8/12 at 6:47 pm to bingo
Posted on 4/8/12 at 6:47 pm to bingo
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and, how would the sec teams that they beat in bowl games have done with the bsu, utah and tsu regular season schedule?
Well, if you're speaking of injury factor from weekly grind, the BSU/UGA, Bama/Utah and TCU/Wisconsin games were played when this was not be a factor...if I'm understanding your right.
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Posted on 4/8/12 at 6:50 pm to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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There 2nd and 3rd string would become an issue and those 11/12 win seasons would be 8/9 at best I would guess.
in all fairness, they probably would be a little better than that if they were playing an sec east schedule, but..in the west, they would have been hurting..
Posted on 4/8/12 at 6:52 pm to molsusports
I'd love to see some evidence of how lack of in state recruiting is what's keeping Tennessee from being successful. Tennessee is struggling in recruiting because the guy running the program can't do his job, and the other coaches in the conference have no problem convincing top recruits of that. Kiffin wasn't having any problems with recruiting, and neither will the next guy unless he's lazy or incompetent.
This post was edited on 4/8/12 at 6:54 pm
Posted on 4/8/12 at 6:52 pm to UTVols2618
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petrino can't recruit.
True.
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He has a ceiling.
Eh. Kind of.
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He will never win a championship in the SEC.
Never is a long time, I'd take that bet.
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We are still more relevant than Arkansas will ever be.
Now it's obvious your vagina is still bleeding from 45-7. At this moment in time (upcoming year), Arkansas is more relevant than Tenner in the national perspective*.
*Based on not firing Bobby.
This post was edited on 4/8/12 at 6:55 pm
Posted on 4/8/12 at 6:53 pm to bingo
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in all fairness, they probably would be a little better than that if they were playing an sec east schedule, but..in the west, they would have been hurting..
BSU would have ran the table in the east in 2011. Assuming they dodged LSU/Bama till ATL they would won 11 or more. But Kellen Moore is gone now and teams like BSU and TCU don't really reload, they have to build back up.
This post was edited on 4/8/12 at 6:54 pm
Posted on 4/8/12 at 7:01 pm to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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But Kellen Moore is gone now and teams like BSU and TCU don't really reload, they have to build back up.
yep...and that is a huge differnce between those teams and the sec. premier sec teams do not depend on one player, especially an offensive player. (cam does not count, he was an anomally, an incredible one). the sec was founded on defense and has continued to win with it, as boring as the rest of the nation thinks it is..
Posted on 4/8/12 at 7:54 pm to ohiovol
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He wasn't getting drafted without Kiffin. And the defense was only third in 2008 because the offense was so inept the opposition rarely needed to do very much after hitting double digits. It's not like they kept Tennessee in any meaningful game.
Kiffin and Cheney did do wonders for Crompton, but he was very still talented. Its not fair to blame him for having 3 different offensive coordinators.
No, the defense was really good. We would have gotten killed in every game if it wasn't for them. The defense never got a break because the offense would always go 3 and out or have a turnover. The most points scored on UT that year was 30, and that was UF.
Posted on 4/8/12 at 7:55 pm to ohiovol
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'd love to see some evidence of how lack of in state recruiting is what's keeping Tennessee from being successful. Tennessee is struggling in recruiting because the guy running the program can't do his job, and the other coaches in the conference have no problem convincing top recruits of that. Kiffin wasn't having any problems with recruiting, and neither will the next guy unless he's lazy or incompetent.
Kiffin didn't have problems with recruiting? He said it was the hardest thing he has ever done recruiting here. Not to mention almost all of his players were busts.
Posted on 4/8/12 at 8:06 pm to UTVols2618
quote:Did you oversleep the Ole Miss game, and were you passed out on newyears eve during the chicken sandwich massacre?
The most points scored on UT that year was 30, and that was UF.
This post was edited on 4/8/12 at 8:08 pm
Posted on 4/8/12 at 8:08 pm to psk_Vol
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Did you oversleep the Ole Miss game, and were you passed out on newyears eve during the chicken sandwich massacre?
We are talking about 08
Posted on 4/8/12 at 8:18 pm to BennyAndTheInkJets
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quote: We are still more relevant than Arkansas will ever be.
I'm sorry but right now we are not
Posted on 4/8/12 at 8:23 pm to Wishnitwas1998
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I'm sorry but right now we are not
Top recruits are still very interested in UT. UT leads for Jalen Tabor (2014) who is probably going to be a 5star. You don't see those types of players wanting to play for Arkansas. The university is very relevant.
Posted on 4/8/12 at 9:36 pm to UTVols2618
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Top recruits are still very interested in UT. UT leads for Jalen Tabor (2014) who is probably going to be a 5star. You don't see those types of players wanting to play for Arkansas. The university is very relevant.
The fact that we can still get good recruits is great but it doesn't change the fact that in the current CFB landscape Arkansas is more relevant than we are. Will it stay that way for 5 more years? I don't think so but idk
Posted on 4/8/12 at 9:53 pm to UTVols2618
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Kiffin didn't have problems with recruiting? He said it was the hardest thing he has ever done recruiting here. Not to mention almost all of his players were busts.
Without Bray and Hunter, two players who wouldn't be here without Kiffin, Tennessee is looking at 6 wins next year at best.
When did Kiffin say recruiting was the hardest thing he has ever done? Maybe he said it, but I don't remember it. Regardless, he still managed to bring in some talent instead of just forcing the fan base to hope everyone is under the radar.
This post was edited on 4/8/12 at 9:54 pm
Posted on 4/8/12 at 9:57 pm to UTVols2618
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No, the defense was really good. We would have gotten killed in every game if it wasn't for them. The defense never got a break because the offense would always go 3 and out or have a turnover. The most points scored on UT that year was 30, and that was UF.
I hate to break it to you, but Florida could have scored far more if they wanted to. Other than holding some putrid offenses to 14 points, that defense didn't accomplish anything. The 2005 version at least kept UT in some games for a while. The 2008 defense was a paper tiger. The 2009 defense performed much better Georgia, South Carolina, Alabama, Florida, and UCLA. Auburn scored more against us in 2009, but that offense was also considerably better.
Posted on 4/8/12 at 9:58 pm to ohiovol
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He wasn't getting drafted without Kiffin. And the defense was only third in 2008 because the offense was so inept the opposition rarely needed to do very much after hitting double digits. It's not like they kept Tennessee in any meaningful game.
I want to believe this popular opinion, but I can't. I saw the same story in '05... but '08 was worse. With better offense we beat Wyoming, Auburn, UCLA and possibly Georgia. We had no chance against Bama and UF, but neither did anyone else that year. That makes us a 9-3 team with two losses to the best two teams in the nation, and the other to South Carolina.
Posted on 4/8/12 at 9:59 pm to CountryVolFan
The 2005 defense was much better than the 2008 defense.
Posted on 4/8/12 at 10:02 pm to ohiovol
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hate to break it to you, but Florida could have scored far more if they wanted to. Other than holding some putrid offenses to 14 points, that defense didn't accomplish anything.
The '08 Defense put us in position to win 9 games. You put the '09 Off with the '08 Defense against either scheduled and it a solid 3rd or 2nd place SEC East finish.
Posted on 4/8/12 at 10:04 pm to ohiovol
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The 2005 defense was much better than the 2008 defense.
I agree... and it's not really close. but both were solid. You are seriously underrating the '08 D-squad.
Posted on 4/8/12 at 10:07 pm to ohiovol
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Without Bray and Hunter, two players who wouldn't be here without Kiffin, Tennessee is looking at 6 wins next year at best.
When did Kiffin say recruiting was the hardest thing he has ever done? Maybe he said it, but I don't remember it. Regardless, he still managed to bring in some talent instead of just forcing the fan base to hope everyone is under the radar.
Bray yes, Hunter no. Hunter was coming here because of the track program. It didn't matter who was the head coach. Every recruiting analysts considers Hunter Dooley's recruit. He still had to seal the deal, and we are lucky Kiffin missed on Rettig and Scroggins.
He did say it. Kiffen and Orgeron were shocked about how hard it was to recruit at UT. Out of his 09 class, there isn't one 4 or 5 star starter.
This post was edited on 4/8/12 at 10:09 pm
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