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Posted on 4/8/12 at 4:32 pm to ohiovol
Posted on 4/8/12 at 4:32 pm to ohiovol
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The two year deals are nothing more than a way to make the coaches and recruits feel marginally better about coming here.
The last think UT wants is to pay coaches money when they aren't working. Fulmer is still getting paid from the university.
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Posted on 4/8/12 at 4:33 pm to UTVols2618
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That team was more talented than Auburn, Ole Miss, and UCLA. They were even favored in those games. Just because Fulmer had a bad season with them doesn't mean they sucked. UT was great on defense in 08, the offense was just god awful from the clawfence.
Please. Running back and secondary were the only units where we truly had SEC caliber players. Crompton can thank the staff for his NFL paycheck and the offensive line and front seven as a group was a train wreck.
Posted on 4/8/12 at 4:34 pm to UTVols2618
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The last think UT wants is to pay coaches money when they aren't working. Fulmer is still getting paid from the university.
No, the last thing UT wants is to spend millions of dollars on facilities only to realize that there are only 70,000 fans in attendance for the South Alabama game.
This post was edited on 4/8/12 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 4/8/12 at 4:38 pm to ohiovol
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Please. Running back and secondary were the only units where we truly had SEC caliber players. Crompton can thank the staff for his NFL paycheck and the offensive line and front seven as a group was a train wreck.
UT was ranked third in total defense in 08. They hardly lost anyone in 08. Crompton had talent, but he had 3 different offensive coordinators. Thats hard for any qb, especially a college one. The defense had all the tools, its just Monte is not a good college coordinator. He hasn't adjusted well to it.
Posted on 4/8/12 at 5:21 pm to Robot Santa
If Petrino is out at Arkansas, then he's the UT head coach in 2013 and y'all are back as an SEC powerhouse in two years.
Posted on 4/8/12 at 5:22 pm to ljhog
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If Petrino is out at Arkansas, then he's the UT head coach in 2013 and y'all are back as an SEC powerhouse in two years.
UT is not going after Petrino. He would be way down the list. Kirby Smart will more than likely be the coach if Dooley fails.
Posted on 4/8/12 at 5:32 pm to UTVols2618
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UT is not going after Petrino
and stupidity like that is why Tenner will remain irrelevant in SEC football for the forseeable future.
Posted on 4/8/12 at 5:40 pm to ljhog
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and stupidity like that is why Tenner will remain irrelevant in SEC football for the forseeable future.
petrino can't recruit. He has a ceiling. He will never win a championship in the SEC. We are still more relevant than Arkansas will ever be.
Posted on 4/8/12 at 5:51 pm to Wishnitwas1998
An honest set of questions and a rational fan on the blog...amazing.
Since Bryant's retirement, the change in the game in mid 80's and TV market opening up, along with Spurrier going to UF...the SEC will never be the same again. A cycle? Maybe. It seems to me that the HC hire is more critical than any other time but even with a good hire the margin of error is almost nil (in the SEC anyways), but still can make a radical change. The 90's was the nadir for LSU CFB and Saban changed it aroung in two years. Bama was mired in mediocrity and look what he's done there. Not saying there are a lot of Saban's running around because there's not....but there are a few high quality HC's that can change a program quickly. But there's no ouija board, the trick is getting one. Remember Saban won less than 60% at MSU. Will UT spend big bucks and persuade say a Peterson, or a Patterson (or a Whittingham) to come, that's the question. Hiring a hot shot assistant/coordinator seems to be a gamble not worth taking........all IMO
Since Bryant's retirement, the change in the game in mid 80's and TV market opening up, along with Spurrier going to UF...the SEC will never be the same again. A cycle? Maybe. It seems to me that the HC hire is more critical than any other time but even with a good hire the margin of error is almost nil (in the SEC anyways), but still can make a radical change. The 90's was the nadir for LSU CFB and Saban changed it aroung in two years. Bama was mired in mediocrity and look what he's done there. Not saying there are a lot of Saban's running around because there's not....but there are a few high quality HC's that can change a program quickly. But there's no ouija board, the trick is getting one. Remember Saban won less than 60% at MSU. Will UT spend big bucks and persuade say a Peterson, or a Patterson (or a Whittingham) to come, that's the question. Hiring a hot shot assistant/coordinator seems to be a gamble not worth taking........all IMO
Posted on 4/8/12 at 6:05 pm to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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yant's retirement, the change in the game in mid 80's and TV market opening up, along with Spurrier going to UF...the SEC will never be the same again. A cycle? Maybe. It seems to me that the HC hire is more critical than any other time but even with a good hire the margin of error is almost nil (in the SEC anyways), but still can make a radical change. The 90's was the nadir for LSU CFB and Saban changed it aroung in two years. Bama was mired in mediocrity and look what he's done there. Not saying there are a lot of Saban's running around because there's not....but there are a few high quality HC's that can change a pro
How do we know Petersen, Patterson, or Wittingham can survive in the SEC?
Dirk Koetter and Dan Hawkins built up Boise State, Dennis Franchione was the one that built up TCU, and Meyer built up Utah. Petersen, Wittingham, and Patterson took over programs that won 10 games or more the year before. They are just as risky. Im sure Colorado and Arizona State thought they got a steal when they hired Hawkins and Koetter.
Posted on 4/8/12 at 6:13 pm to UTVols2618
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How do we know Petersen, Patterson, or Wittingham can survive in the SEC?
I don't know though BSU and Utah did fine against good SEC schools as of late. Like I said, no one has a ouija board...it's a best guess. For instance, if Hogs fire Petrino, I would look for someone who has successful HC experience at a smaller school before taking a chance on any coordinator. A coordinator should take the Malzahn route and get some HC experience at a smaller school first then, if successful, make a jump. Just my opinion man. If there were a concrete answer a school with the funds and the desire would never have a 'down' time.
Posted on 4/8/12 at 6:24 pm to UTVols2618
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UT was ranked third in total defense in 08. They hardly lost anyone in 08. Crompton had talent, but he had 3 different offensive coordinators. Thats hard for any qb, especially a college one. The defense had all the tools, its just Monte is not a good college coordinator. He hasn't adjusted well to it.
He wasn't getting drafted without Kiffin. And the defense was only third in 2008 because the offense was so inept the opposition rarely needed to do very much after hitting double digits. It's not like they kept Tennessee in any meaningful game.
This post was edited on 4/8/12 at 6:28 pm
Posted on 4/8/12 at 6:27 pm to ljhog
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If Petrino is out at Arkansas, then he's the UT head coach in 2013 and y'all are back as an SEC powerhouse in two years.
dude, ut is still trying to recover from kiffen and all of the scrutiny that his antics brought on the program...
Posted on 4/8/12 at 6:29 pm to Wishnitwas1998
JMO and not meant with any venom
Tennessee = Arkansas with more history of success
You have facilities and are teh flagship of your state but you have to recruit out of your state to compete and are more dependent on a coach who is not only a good coach but also a great recruiter.
You can succeed but being in the SEC does you no favors with other schools like Florida, Georgia, Alabama, and LSU have better in state recruiting to fall back on.
Tennessee = Arkansas with more history of success
You have facilities and are teh flagship of your state but you have to recruit out of your state to compete and are more dependent on a coach who is not only a good coach but also a great recruiter.
You can succeed but being in the SEC does you no favors with other schools like Florida, Georgia, Alabama, and LSU have better in state recruiting to fall back on.
Posted on 4/8/12 at 6:30 pm to ljhog
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If Petrino is out at Arkansas, then he's the UT head coach in 2013
I think there is a contract clause that he cannot go to another SEC club till 2018.
Posted on 4/8/12 at 6:30 pm to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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I don't know though BSU and Utah did fine against good SEC schools as of late.
one huge game that could mean a chance for a bcs bowl game vs an entire season of sec football are very different things.
Posted on 4/8/12 at 6:34 pm to bingo
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one huge game that could mean a chance for a bcs bowl game vs an entire season of sec football are very different things.
True, but given opportunity BSU, Utah and TCU, of late, did well in those games, as opposed to not doing well.
Posted on 4/8/12 at 6:34 pm to Wishnitwas1998
They will have an incredible time returning to the good old days. Peyton Manning and the Chief and the days before recruiting services and following were so damn prevalent. Now, everyone knows they have to recruit from outside of the state, and with all the cheaters and snitchers, they have to be very careful.
Other than their old school tradition and success in the 90's, they have a bid stadium and following, but there really is no reason for them to ever compete on a year-end-year-out basis with LSU and Bama and others who have everything Tenn has and a whole lot more.
Other than their old school tradition and success in the 90's, they have a bid stadium and following, but there really is no reason for them to ever compete on a year-end-year-out basis with LSU and Bama and others who have everything Tenn has and a whole lot more.
Posted on 4/8/12 at 6:40 pm to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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True, but given opportunity BSU, Utah and TCU, of late, did well in those games, as opposed to not doing well.
yes, they did and no doubt they had very, very good teams. but, how would those teams faired, week in and week out in the sec?
and, how would the sec teams that they beat in bowl games have done with the bsu, utah and tsu regular season schedule?
Posted on 4/8/12 at 6:45 pm to bingo
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but, how would those teams faired, week in and week out in the sec?
There 2nd and 3rd string would become an issue and those 11/12 win seasons would be 8/9 at best I would guess.
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