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re: Texas hired Stark because Jimbo is winning

Posted on 1/24/21 at 11:26 am to
Posted by ColoradoAg
Colorado
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Posted on 1/24/21 at 11:26 am to
Actually I do. The way your fans treated him is beyond words. Some of the most hateful, vicious fans I've seen at both the professional and college level. Even my booster friends think Texas fans are terrible
Posted by CharlotteSooner
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 1/24/21 at 12:08 pm to
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Sarkisian is a good OC. However, he is basically Riley without the program that Riley inherited.


Riley inherited a program on the verge of collapse. The defensive side of the program had already fully collapsed under Mike Stoops. The offensive side was starting to follow suit under Heupel.

Sark is actually inheriting a program on more solid footing than Riley did.

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The defenses in the BDF have been chasing Riley for years, and are starting to figure him out as a result.


That's news to me. Defenses in the BIG XII have gotten better overall, not "figured out Riley". To his credit, Campbell's 3-3-3 defensive scheme did kill the Air-Raid here, which is what it was designed to do. That's a good thing, and part of the reason why the defenses have improved. Goodbye and good riddance, Air-Raid....

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Texas if smart would have hired a program builder like Campbell,




They don't need to "build a program". Their "program" has been built for decades. They need somebody who can develop their players and will put his best players on the field. Their players don't get better over their careers there (development), and their teams don't improve over the course of the season (also development).
And then you have a guy like Bijan who spent the season sitting behind guys he's very clearly better than under Hermanus. I'm not even sure Ehlinger was their best option at QB last year.

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or somebody like Mahlzahn that plays a different style that defenses in the BDF are not already prepared for.


You have no idea what kind of offenses are played in the BIG XII. Malzahn's "offense" is a clownshow joke we all laugh about. It's a less than mediocre spread offense with a lot of window dressing and eye candy (motion and shifting).
Posted by ColoradoAg
Colorado
Member since Sep 2011
21461 posts
Posted on 1/24/21 at 12:21 pm to
I know what offenses are playing the BDF, and within a few years every team there will be playing a variation of the 3-3-5 on defense like ISU and TCU pretty much do already. WV isn't far behind.

You are a straight up idiot if you think Riley inherited anything on the "verge of collapse". That is some revisionist history at best.

Texas did need actual coaching, which somebody like Campbell can provide. And it will take a complete revamp in the way things are done to get rid of that entitled attitude throughout the program and the fanbase. Sark doesn't provide that, as he is already the boosters bitch. Meyer talked to a few coaching friends, and said thanks but no thanks. Then went to Jacksonville.

And very few defenses in the BDF can defend the run worth a crap, which is why someone like Malzahn would destroy that conference. The defenses are all set up to stop the spread. Fisher would also own the BDF, honestly
Posted by CharlotteSooner
Member since Mar 2016
10856 posts
Posted on 1/24/21 at 12:44 pm to
Yeah I wouldn't know the state my own program that I've followed my entire life was in when Riley took over. A stupid aggot knows more than ME.

Several programs have already tried to implement Campbell's 3-3-3 scheme and all have failed. Even Clemson tried it after Venables flew to Ames to meet with Heacock fresh off of winning the Natty and it didn't work for them.

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And very few defenses in the BDF can defend the run worth a crap, which is why someone like Malzahn would destroy that conference.


The BIG 12 had 3 top 25 run defenses (two of them top 10).
"Da SEC" had 4 top 25 run defenses (two of them top 10).

You never know what the hell you're talking about.

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And it will take a complete revamp in the way things are done to get rid of that entitled attitude throughout the program and the fanbase.


No coach they could hire will ever get rid of their mentality. This is a clown post.
This post was edited on 1/24/21 at 2:06 pm
Posted by Krampus
Member since Nov 2018
5207 posts
Posted on 1/24/21 at 12:55 pm to
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I apparently thought more of Sumlin's recruits than most aggies. I didn't think the cupboard was bare when Jimbo got there.


Cupboard wasn't bare, but it was undeveloped. Sumlim was a pretty good recruiter, landed top 15-20 level classes, but his coaching staff was awful at development. Whatever talent a player had coming in, is generally about where they stayed.

Sumlin was always looking for a talented new recruit to upgrade a position rather than making his current starters better. That's why we were always "young". Coaches just kept trying to plug in new hot shot underclassmen in hopes they would be game changers. When they weren't they just got replaced with the next new recruit and the cycle continued.

That's what Jimbo inherited. Not a bare cupboard, but a roster of pretty good, but raw, players who were thrown into starting roles too early, and then replaced by the next guy getting thrown into a starting role too early. Which is a mess of its own.
Posted by Che Boludo
Member since May 2009
18156 posts
Posted on 1/24/21 at 1:35 pm to
UTx has no concern for Aggie, and it drives them mad.

Their move to hire Sark and an all star cast of coast-to-coast recruiting and player development oriented coaches and assistants has everything to do with OU and a determination to win Big 12 titles first.

Give Sark a couple full recruiting cycles with the coaching talent he has assembled and there will be a great deal of talent in Austin.

Sark's biggest issue will be how much he lets Flood run the offense vs how much he involves himself, especially when a full complement of talent arrives.

aTm had a blip on the radar season on 2020. They are postured to have another blip in 2021 with all of the talent, coaches, analysts/staff Bama loses and the other issues/turnover that AU and LSU are facing. 2021 is shaping up to be aTm's best chance to make a move. If Jimbo can't win the west this year, it may never be in the cards.
Posted by GatorOnAnIsland
Florida
Member since Jan 2019
5780 posts
Posted on 1/24/21 at 1:51 pm to
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I know more of the people that make the decisions (boosters) at Texas than many Texas fans do


Posted by Jacknola
New Orleans
Member since May 2013
4366 posts
Posted on 1/24/21 at 1:52 pm to
Whatever negative has been said is probably defensive and probably wrong. Sark is one of the top offensive minds at any level. His alcohol issues prevented his success in the past. But if he has indeed put that addiction behind him, after two years with Coach Saban he should have learned how to organize a head coaching job in great detail.

The past two years you never once saw Saban light into Sark... and he used to do it as entertainment with Kiffin and Dabole. He entrusted Sark with game day control of Alabama against Auburn and praised him...which means he thinks Sark can manage a game.

I strongly believe that Sark as head coach is going to be a comer in the next three years, maybe “sooner” given the collections of stiffs in that conference. Texas might become The Clemson of the big 12.

Sark is the best head coach hire at Texas this century.
This post was edited on 1/24/21 at 1:55 pm
Posted by GatorOnAnIsland
Florida
Member since Jan 2019
5780 posts
Posted on 1/24/21 at 1:53 pm to
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Riley took over. A stupid aggot knows more than ME


Yes you stupid okie, this aggy knows people
Posted by CharlotteSooner
Member since Mar 2016
10856 posts
Posted on 1/24/21 at 2:00 pm to
Well, you do meet a lot of people working behind the deli counter at Albertons.
Posted by CharlotteSooner
Member since Mar 2016
10856 posts
Posted on 1/24/21 at 2:03 pm to
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Sark is the best head coach hire at Texas this century.


You may want to tap the brakes a little, chief.
Posted by GeauxBichGeaux
Member since Apr 2017
1347 posts
Posted on 1/24/21 at 2:04 pm to
whoever leaked to the press that texas was courting urban really hamstrung them. I dont think they wanted to make a move unless it was urban but once it was public they had no choice. they were already getting killed in recruiting by A&M and OU, and with herman a dead man walking this year, their lack of recruiting would have set them back several years.
Posted by ColoradoAg
Colorado
Member since Sep 2011
21461 posts
Posted on 1/24/21 at 2:23 pm to
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whoever leaked to the press that texas was courting urban really hamstrung them. I dont think they wanted to make a move unless it was urban but once it was public they had no choice.

This is close. Some of the boosters were annoyed at Herman for his terrible attitude, and not bowing down to them. They are the ones who approached Meyer, and later Sarkisian without even telling the AD. They are the ones who made the choice.

Too bad for Texas that their fans are so terrible that Meyer decided to pass. The boosters almost had him locked up for mad money before Meyer started talking to various coaches. It was leaked because they put the cart before the horse and wanted to control the narrative as usual. Sarkisian was damage control
Posted by GatorOnAnIsland
Florida
Member since Jan 2019
5780 posts
Posted on 1/24/21 at 2:29 pm to
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The boosters almost had him locked up for mad money before Meyer started talking to various coaches. It was leaked because they put the cart before the horse and wanted to control the narrative as usual. Sarkisian was damage control


Posted by CharlotteSooner
Member since Mar 2016
10856 posts
Posted on 1/24/21 at 2:30 pm to
Hermanus was 1-4 vs OU and 0-1 in CCG (also vs OU). He was also 1-4 vs TCU.

It wasn't a secret they were going to make a move on a coaching change after this season, especially after they made him replace his staff after last year. Obviously the above trends continued this season along with the staff missing out on several top, in-state recruits, a couple of them legacy kids. His doom was a forgone conclusion.
Posted by RogerTempleton
Austin
Member since Nov 2014
3012 posts
Posted on 1/24/21 at 2:43 pm to
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Texas hired Stark


we hired Sark, not Ironman

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because Jimbo is winning


because Texas was losing

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A&M should have made the playoffs

Not at all
This post was edited on 1/24/21 at 2:43 pm
Posted by Warrior Poet
Living Rent-Free in Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 1/24/21 at 3:18 pm to
They hired sark because OU was winning. A&M had nothing to do with it.
Posted by ColoradoAg
Colorado
Member since Sep 2011
21461 posts
Posted on 1/24/21 at 3:25 pm to
It was a mixture of factors, and recruiting was a big piece of it. Fisher and OU are spanking Texas on the recruiting trail, and Bama and tOSU continue to raid the state

I'm not sure how exactly that's going to change, but Herman was a no-go for the boosters. They needed a yes man, and got it in Sarkisian
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
52189 posts
Posted on 1/24/21 at 3:32 pm to
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Fisher and OU are spanking Texas on the recruiting trail


According to 247, A&M has one more recruit committed than Texas and OU has two more for the 2022 class.

Is that really a spanking?
Posted by ColoradoAg
Colorado
Member since Sep 2011
21461 posts
Posted on 1/24/21 at 3:36 pm to
The past few years, Sidewalk. Holy crap you are dumb. Texas hasn't recruited worth a crap anywhere besides the skill positions, which is why Sarkisian will need some time. Texas OL is trash tier, as is the DL. Herman lost out on two top-tier OL that were legacies just this past cycle, and pretty much every DL as well the last few years

They get a few here and there, but have zero depth. Texas has recruited well at DB, but no development at all.
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