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Stop Expanding the Playoff and Start Fixing the Rules
Posted on 12/7/25 at 12:33 am
Posted on 12/7/25 at 12:33 am
College football didn’t fix anything going from no title games pre-BCS to BCS to 4team to 4 team to 12 team. The controversy remains because the actual problem wasn’t how many teams. The problem has always been how these teams are decided, committees, polls, bribes, etc.
Either sports and even college football conferences have clear rules, win your division, you’re in for example. No begging, no beauty contest. Until college football dumps the committee and uses a true earned-on-the-field playoff, it’ll be the same yearly meltdown no matter how many teams they add.
Either sports and even college football conferences have clear rules, win your division, you’re in for example. No begging, no beauty contest. Until college football dumps the committee and uses a true earned-on-the-field playoff, it’ll be the same yearly meltdown no matter how many teams they add.
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Posted on 12/7/25 at 12:44 am to CoatesHall
With no committee, who decides who gets in beyond conference champions? There are 136 schools in the FBS.
Posted on 12/7/25 at 12:45 am to Green Chili Tiger
BCS computer system
Posted on 12/7/25 at 12:48 am to crimsoncoded94
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BCS computer system
Used the polls which are worse than the commity
Posted on 12/7/25 at 12:51 am to CoatesHall
BCS system was fine, and we only need 2 teams.
Georgia vs Indiana should be the championship game and no other team has a legitimate claim at the NC.
Indiana went undefeated and won the Big10.
Georgia had one loss, but it was to Alabama and they beat Alabama convincingly tonight.
No other team has a claim as the best team in the country.
Instead we got 12 teams and 10 of them have no legit claim no matter who you pick.
Georgia vs Indiana should be the championship game and no other team has a legitimate claim at the NC.
Indiana went undefeated and won the Big10.
Georgia had one loss, but it was to Alabama and they beat Alabama convincingly tonight.
No other team has a claim as the best team in the country.
Instead we got 12 teams and 10 of them have no legit claim no matter who you pick.
This post was edited on 12/7/25 at 12:55 am
Posted on 12/7/25 at 12:52 am to CoatesHall
If you think that the Playoff was about finding a better way to determine a champion you weren't paying attention. If you think that the Playoff is going to do anything but grow you are delusional.
It's about money and moving towards Super Conferences. You can't put the genie back in the bottle.
It's about money and moving towards Super Conferences. You can't put the genie back in the bottle.
Posted on 12/7/25 at 12:55 am to Green Chili Tiger
How did they decide that Bama and UGA were the teams for the SEC championship without meetings and committees? They have pre-established rules with a long list of tie breakers. There wasn’t any controversy that Bama made it in over higher ranked teams with better overall records, because everyone knows the rules going in.
Posted on 12/7/25 at 12:57 am to Green Chili Tiger
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There are 136 schools in the FBS
There’s your problem. Needs a fix
Ban all FCS games and just give them money. Relegate Mountain West, CUSA, MAC and Sunbelt to FCS
Only P4 and G2 (American and PAC) games are allowed.
That would at least give everyone 12 games against real teams every year. Giving the computers far more data. Then have the computers rank the teams
Posted on 12/7/25 at 1:01 am to Raoul_Duke
Only solution with current system is expanding the regular season to 16 games.
Its too hard to judge teams like Miami when they didnt even play the two teams that made the ACC champ game.
A&M somehow avoided UGA and Bama and Ole Miss.
Its too hard to judge teams like Miami when they didnt even play the two teams that made the ACC champ game.
A&M somehow avoided UGA and Bama and Ole Miss.
This post was edited on 12/7/25 at 1:03 am
Posted on 12/7/25 at 1:02 am to CoatesHall
Fixing rules doesn’t get you any money though. Games = $$
Posted on 12/7/25 at 1:06 am to CoatesHall
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How did they decide that Bama and UGA were the teams for the SEC championship without meetings and committees? They have pre-established rules with a long list of tie breakers. There wasn’t any controversy that Bama made it in over higher ranked teams with better overall records, because everyone knows the rules going in.
The biggest problem with these kinds of things is that the conferences are no where near equal. The differences in schedule strength can be very extreme.
The SECCG rules do not take SoS into account. And that is in itself starting to become an issue as we add more and more teams because it's possible for 2 teams to have extremely different schedules.
That was a small problem we also had with divisions to some degree with 1 side being stronger than the other. But the groups were kind of in the same boat still. AKA all the SEC West teams played all the others, so that group generally had the same difficulties in conference and those tie breakers were more even.
Now we have 3 teams sitting out the SECCG and getting rewarded. 2 of them played the easiest schedules in the conference.
Posted on 12/7/25 at 1:06 am to billjamin
You can have as many games as you want. Just have the criteria predetermined instead of letting the Condaleza Rice’s of the world decide who is playing.
Posted on 12/7/25 at 1:07 am to CoatesHall
The concept of the BCS was fine, issue was the inputs.
Vegas has a bunch of these lines down to a science. And there are hundreds of privately managed models that people use to try to beat Vegas, and that come out about the same as Vegas.
We know what the right inputs are now. And it's not 1998 anymore, we have computer models that can run thousands of simulations of every conceivable matchup and we have the means to aggregate hundreds of their outputs seamlessly.
Go out and hire a bunch of data scientists to cook up a few dozen models with different weights for different considerations. Aggregate the results. Set clear rules for exceptions (eg, if head to head is a trump card when teams have sufficiently similar ratings). Done.
This committee shite is nothing but ego and TV revenue.
Vegas has a bunch of these lines down to a science. And there are hundreds of privately managed models that people use to try to beat Vegas, and that come out about the same as Vegas.
We know what the right inputs are now. And it's not 1998 anymore, we have computer models that can run thousands of simulations of every conceivable matchup and we have the means to aggregate hundreds of their outputs seamlessly.
Go out and hire a bunch of data scientists to cook up a few dozen models with different weights for different considerations. Aggregate the results. Set clear rules for exceptions (eg, if head to head is a trump card when teams have sufficiently similar ratings). Done.
This committee shite is nothing but ego and TV revenue.
Posted on 12/7/25 at 1:08 am to 3down10
A&M and Ole Miss got rewarded for their opponents sucking more than ours.
Posted on 12/7/25 at 1:13 am to Raoul_Duke
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G2 (American and PAC)
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Relegate Mountain West, CUSA, MAC and Sunbelt to FCS
The PAC is an 8 team conference. Force it to merge with the Mountain West and then maybe we can consider it on equal footing with the American. At minimum UNLV has to move over.
Realignment, transfers, etc have also significantly shifted the power dynamics in G5 in general.
The American isn't nearly as deep as it was a few years back. The Sunbelt has actually become a much stronger conference. It used to be the literal bottom of the barrel. Now it's light years ahead of conference usa and the MAC.
Conference USA has basically become an entity propped up by raiding the FCS anyway.
Moving the Mac to FCS is a problem because of how FCS structure works.
Conference champions get auto bids. The MAC is too large to determine a conference champion without a championship game. The only FCS conferences that have championship games are the two HBCU conferences that don't participate in the playoff and instead play each other in the Celebration Bowl (effectively the HBCU Championship)
Posted on 12/7/25 at 1:16 am to crimsoncoded94
This. Humans need to be removed.
And it should have went to 8 and that's it. The conference expansion doesnt help. Its broken. Not all schedules are equal either
And it should have went to 8 and that's it. The conference expansion doesnt help. Its broken. Not all schedules are equal either
Posted on 12/7/25 at 1:23 am to crimsoncoded94
And every team in the SEC was rewarded because they didn’t play 5 top 15 teams in the SEC, 4 of which were on the road. SEC needs to go back to divisions so there are more common opponents.
Posted on 12/7/25 at 2:20 am to rolltide32
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Moving the Mac to FCS is a problem because of how FCS structure works.
Thanks for the info sir
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The Sunbelt has actually become a much stronger conference. It used to be the literal bottom of the barrel. Now it's light years ahead of conference usa and the MAC.
Sure has. Sort of by default it seems. It’s all the long time southern G5 schools that the American didn’t want
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Realignment, transfers, etc have also significantly shifted the power dynamics in G5 in general.
It’s all setting up for one final shift once the ACC collapses. Once that happens we’ll get a better picture.
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The PAC is an 8 team conference. Force it to merge with the Mountain West and then maybe we can consider it on equal footing with the American. At minimum UNLV has to move over.
I really like how the new PAC is shaping up. Definitely UNLV needs to be added and either UTEP or New Mexico. When the ACC collapses i think Cal and Stanford will be back as well
Cal
Stanford
Washington State
Oregon State
Boise State
San Diego State
Fresno State
Texas State
Utah State
Colorado State
New Mexico/UTEP
UNLV
That would be a respectable conference
Posted on 12/7/25 at 4:46 am to crimsoncoded94
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Only solution with current system is expanding the regular season to 16 games.
You can't do that in College. These kids are supposed to go to class. Its not their only job like in the NFL. 16 games turns into 20 with a playoff.
Posted on 12/7/25 at 5:33 am to CoatesHall
Never thought we should've gotten rid of divisions. Ole Miss would've been in the game against Georgia, which would be a better matchup than Bama.
But it doesn't matter what the rules are. As long as there's a vote to get in, it will never be justified, for some.
But it doesn't matter what the rules are. As long as there's a vote to get in, it will never be justified, for some.
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