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Steve Spurrier.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:11 am
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:11 am
Since a gator fan started a good post, I was curious about something other Sec fans felt.
Back in the day, Steve Spurrier used to beat the shite out of other Sec teams (except MSU in our house).
There are those who claimed he “ran up the score” but it was usually back up players after he had a huge lead.
My dad was a huge Spurrier fan and as he used to say “He’s scoring with 2nd string guys.”
So my question is, why did people think he ran up the score ? Should he have told 2nd string guys not to play all out and take a knee? Or did he do it right and knew they were the future of his offense?
My dad ( rest his soul) loved Sec football. Probably more an LSU fan but pulled for the Mississippi teams.
How did Spurrier get the name of running up the score when even 3rd stringers were scoring? I defend Florida fans on this. Anyone with a coach who could do what he did for so many years would love to have that coach. Am I right?
Back in the day, Steve Spurrier used to beat the shite out of other Sec teams (except MSU in our house).
There are those who claimed he “ran up the score” but it was usually back up players after he had a huge lead.
My dad was a huge Spurrier fan and as he used to say “He’s scoring with 2nd string guys.”
So my question is, why did people think he ran up the score ? Should he have told 2nd string guys not to play all out and take a knee? Or did he do it right and knew they were the future of his offense?
My dad ( rest his soul) loved Sec football. Probably more an LSU fan but pulled for the Mississippi teams.
How did Spurrier get the name of running up the score when even 3rd stringers were scoring? I defend Florida fans on this. Anyone with a coach who could do what he did for so many years would love to have that coach. Am I right?
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Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:14 am to MullenBoys
I don't know anyone who ever complained of him running the score up
He just got under Tennessee and Florida State fans' skin on a large scale, and some others on a smaller scale
I love Ole Ball Coach
He just got under Tennessee and Florida State fans' skin on a large scale, and some others on a smaller scale
I love Ole Ball Coach
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:16 am to Harry Rex Vonner
He was indeed a legend. Kinda miss him. Wish he were still coaching but age caught up to him. One of the greatest coaches ever.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:18 am to MullenBoys
Defenses were forced to change once Spurrier's offenses took over the conference.
That's the time you started seeing SEC defenses recruiting more speed on defense to keep up.
Teams had to start using more DB's in coverage. It started the advent of dime and nickel coverages.
You couldn't just play base defense anymore, with slow, plodding DL and LB as Spurrier would annihilate those matchups.
Believe it or not, Tuberville actually started running a similar style offense in the SEC at Ole Miss and then Auburn.
LSU was very slow to adjust defensively under DiNardo.
It wasn't until Saban arrived that he started slowing down teams like Fla and Tenn and upgraded LSU's talent to compete with Spurrier.
With that LSU was still very slow in adapting offensively despite a plethora of talent on offense.
It took O to marriage the spread offense while retaining the power run game at times and now he is also going back to an attacking defense similar to Clemson under Venables as Pelini has experience working with him.
That's the time you started seeing SEC defenses recruiting more speed on defense to keep up.
Teams had to start using more DB's in coverage. It started the advent of dime and nickel coverages.
You couldn't just play base defense anymore, with slow, plodding DL and LB as Spurrier would annihilate those matchups.
Believe it or not, Tuberville actually started running a similar style offense in the SEC at Ole Miss and then Auburn.
LSU was very slow to adjust defensively under DiNardo.
It wasn't until Saban arrived that he started slowing down teams like Fla and Tenn and upgraded LSU's talent to compete with Spurrier.
With that LSU was still very slow in adapting offensively despite a plethora of talent on offense.
It took O to marriage the spread offense while retaining the power run game at times and now he is also going back to an attacking defense similar to Clemson under Venables as Pelini has experience working with him.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:18 am to MullenBoys
I hated OBC while he was at Florida.
The "running up the score" tag was given by fans who were used to beating the shite out of Florida (save for the Emmit Smith/Charlie Pell years) then couldn't accept the Fun and Gun as an offense.
To be honest, if I were in OBC's shoes (Heisman winner coaching at my alma mater recovering from NCAA sanctions, and just generally bad at football) I would have tried to score even more than he tried at UF.
I miss the guy coaching, even if he owned UGA in the WLOCP.
The "running up the score" tag was given by fans who were used to beating the shite out of Florida (save for the Emmit Smith/Charlie Pell years) then couldn't accept the Fun and Gun as an offense.
To be honest, if I were in OBC's shoes (Heisman winner coaching at my alma mater recovering from NCAA sanctions, and just generally bad at football) I would have tried to score even more than he tried at UF.
I miss the guy coaching, even if he owned UGA in the WLOCP.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:20 am to nicholastiger
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Defenses were forced to change once Spurrier's offenses took over the conference. That's the time you started seeing SEC defenses recruiting more speed on defense to keep up. Teams had to start using more DB's in coverage. It started the advent of dime and nickel coverages. You couldn't just play base defense anymore, with slow, plodding DL and LB as Spurrier would annihilate those matchups. Believe it or not, Tuberville actually started running a similar style offense in the SEC at Ole Miss and then Auburn. LSU was very slow to adjust defensively under DiNardo. It wasn't until Saban arrived that he started slowing down teams like Fla and Tenn and upgraded LSU's talent to compete with Spurrier. With that LSU was still very slow in adapting offensively despite a plethora of talent on offense. It took O to marriage the spread offense while retaining the power run game at times and now he is also going back to an attacking defense similar to Clemson under Venables as Pelini has experience working with him.
That was very well thought out. I can’t argue a single point. Good job, you know some football.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:21 am to MullenBoys
With old school football, if you were still throwing the ball downfield late in a lopsided win, you were running up the score. FSU was accused of it every week in the late 80s.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:24 am to MullenBoys
He had brutally good teams in the 90's. Surprised he didn't win more titles. Just goes to tell you how tough it really is to win them.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:25 am to TheHarahanian
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With old school football, if you were still throwing the ball downfield late in a lopsided win, you were running up the score. FSU was accused of it every week in the late 80s.
But if your offense was throwing the ball, and a 2nd QB under his system lit you up the 4th quarter, is that running up the score? Or is it giving a future QB with WR’s some play time since they were the future?
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:28 am to MullenBoys
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is it giving a future QB with WR’s some play time
Basketball analogy to freshmen shooting 3s late in a big win, which was also called running it up back then.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:33 am to TheHarahanian
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Basketball analogy to freshmen shooting 3s late in a big win, which was also called running it up back then.
Bad analogy in my opinion only because I would agree about basketball. However, If I coached a football team, I’d want 2nd or 3rd string guys to score. They are my future. How can I coach them up if I tell them “Just don’t score, we have a big lead,”
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:39 am to MullenBoys
The old sack never ran up the score on us. he quit when he knew the real but cutting was coming
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:51 am to Jim Sweet
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The old sack never ran up the score on us. he quit when he knew the real but cutting was coming
High 5...
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:02 am to MullenBoys
Beating a fellow conference team 45-17 wasn't that common pre-Spurrier. The conservative style of play and emphasis on strength over speed made a 28-14 final score essentially a blowout with the winning team doing nothing but clock killing for the 4th quarter. So if Spurrier was still trying to score up 14 early in the 4th quarter, people thought it was poor sportsmanship.
Spurrier's best years were back when the rest of the SEC needed big players to beat the other ten teams and fast players to beat Florida. With scholarship limits you can't stack your team with both. So Spurrier was at an extreme advantage. His defense didn't have to play UF's offense, and his offense was going against teams who didn't have the speed or preparation to stop it. When Spurrier played teams built like his own (FSU each year) he wasn't great at all (5-8-1 vs FSU and 0-1 vs Miami). I wish we could have seen Spurrier stay at UF in the 2000's once the rest of the SEC developed a modern style. I'm betting he wouldn't have had nearly as much success, especially if he kept that same style. His stretch of good years at South Carolina were built with dominant run games and defense.
Spurrier's best years were back when the rest of the SEC needed big players to beat the other ten teams and fast players to beat Florida. With scholarship limits you can't stack your team with both. So Spurrier was at an extreme advantage. His defense didn't have to play UF's offense, and his offense was going against teams who didn't have the speed or preparation to stop it. When Spurrier played teams built like his own (FSU each year) he wasn't great at all (5-8-1 vs FSU and 0-1 vs Miami). I wish we could have seen Spurrier stay at UF in the 2000's once the rest of the SEC developed a modern style. I'm betting he wouldn't have had nearly as much success, especially if he kept that same style. His stretch of good years at South Carolina were built with dominant run games and defense.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:10 am to MullenBoys
The HBC, and it is Head Ball Coach just ask the man himself, had a way of not only winning on the field but also getting into the heads of other coaches, basically winning the game before it was ever played.
He had the talent at UF to be very successful. He soiled his legacy somewhat by coaching at U of SC. I would have loved to have seen him return to Florida for the time he was there. He may have passed Bear Bryant in SEC wins had he done so.
He had the talent at UF to be very successful. He soiled his legacy somewhat by coaching at U of SC. I would have loved to have seen him return to Florida for the time he was there. He may have passed Bear Bryant in SEC wins had he done so.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:12 am to MullenBoys
He enjoyed running it up on LSU. He interviewed for the LSU job in 1987 after having coached in the USFL, and LSU turned him down to promote defensive coordinator Mike Archer.
Then after LSU held Florida to 28 points in 1995 (Gators still won by 18), LSU's defensive coordinator, Carl Reese, spent the offseason making the coaching clinic rounds bragging about how he had slowed down the Fun 'N Gun. The next year, Florida hung 56 on LSU.
Then after LSU held Florida to 28 points in 1995 (Gators still won by 18), LSU's defensive coordinator, Carl Reese, spent the offseason making the coaching clinic rounds bragging about how he had slowed down the Fun 'N Gun. The next year, Florida hung 56 on LSU.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:13 am to MullenBoys
This may rub my Bulldog brethren the wrong way, but I never hated Spurrier.
College success is all about the head coach. From the year he took over at Florida until he left, he was always the better coach on the field against GA.
Even he's antics were amusing to me. He never held back regardless of the school.
College success is all about the head coach. From the year he took over at Florida until he left, he was always the better coach on the field against GA.
Even he's antics were amusing to me. He never held back regardless of the school.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:18 am to nicholastiger
Spurrier ran 3,4 and 5 Wr receiver sets in the SEC when everyone else played smash mouth, Information ball. Thus, defenses were built (from a recruiting and schematic standpoint) to play smash mouth. Didn’t matter if you had 2nd or 3rd stringers in the game, his schemes resulted in wide open receivers. Once college football defenses adjusted , time caught up to him.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:55 am to michael corleone
He had his QB throw a 50 + yard pass, against LSU, up 30+ & less than a minute in the game. Which is why I was screaming for LSU's RB to get out of bounds around the 5 yd line with less than 30 seconds in the game in his last game as a HC. Had LSU run one more ply & scored, LSU would have rung up 50+ on his arse. RB stayed in play, clock expired & SS retired the following week. Has always bee a good feeling knowing we kicked his arse in his last game.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 1:00 pm to MillerLiteTime
So Spurrier’s success was just because he was the only one doing it right?
frick out of here. He got South Carolina to an SEC Title game for frick sake. He could coach, regardless of the style.
And Saban NEVER slowed down a Spurrier UF offense.
In fact, the only time Saban beat Spurrier in the SEC was when Bama beat South Carolina 20-6 in 2009, when South Carolina repeatedly shot itself in the foot in that game.
frick out of here. He got South Carolina to an SEC Title game for frick sake. He could coach, regardless of the style.
And Saban NEVER slowed down a Spurrier UF offense.
In fact, the only time Saban beat Spurrier in the SEC was when Bama beat South Carolina 20-6 in 2009, when South Carolina repeatedly shot itself in the foot in that game.
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