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Posted on 6/14/20 at 9:26 am
Posted on 6/14/20 at 9:26 am
People demand Bryant’s name be taken off Bryant-Denny stadium and UK’s basketball team remove Rupp’s name from their arena?
Rupp’s racism is well known and Bryant told Condredge Holloway that there would not be a black quarterback at Alabama while he was there. That was the reason Holloway went to UT.
Rupp’s racism is well known and Bryant told Condredge Holloway that there would not be a black quarterback at Alabama while he was there. That was the reason Holloway went to UT.
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Posted on 6/14/20 at 9:29 am to Volsfan82169
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Bryant told Condredge Holloway that there would not be a black quarterback at Alabama while he was there
Bryant didn't tell him that because Bryant refused to play black QBs, Bryant told him that because "Coach Paul "Bear" Bryant was brutally frank with him, admitting Alabama wasn't ready for a black quarterback."
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"I respect Bear Bryant for telling me the truth," the 56-year-old Holloway said a few days before the movie premiere here last Wednesday. "I'm not mad. Why would I be mad. A 17-year-old kid from Huntsville, Alabama, he told me the truth. So what do I have to be mad about?"
Bryant had personal faults, but from all accounts of people around him racism wasn't one of them. His actions and private discussions make it pretty clear that he wanted to make sure that whichever 17 year old black men were the "firsts" (player, QB, etc) was not thrown into a tumultuous situation.
This post was edited on 6/14/20 at 9:35 am
Posted on 6/14/20 at 9:35 am to SummerOfGeorge
Didn't he bring Southern Cal to Birmingham, knowing the Trojans would rough up the Tide, just so he could show the fans they couldn't compete at the national level without black players?
Posted on 6/14/20 at 9:37 am to Eat Your Crow
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Didn't he bring Southern Cal to Birmingham, knowing the Trojans would rough up the Tide, just so he could show the fans they couldn't compete at the national level without black players?
That's the legend, but Alabama already had a black player on the freshman squad (couldn't play then), so the barrier had already been broken. Whether deep down he'd knew that it would clear the path? Possible, but most doubt he'd schedule a team with the thought he'd hopefully get his arse beat for any purpose. Wasn't really his mindset.
Posted on 6/14/20 at 9:55 am to Volsfan82169
Just get rid of both Alabama and Kentucky. Cheaters in their respective sports anyways.
Posted on 6/14/20 at 10:05 am to momentoftruth87
I guarantee you rupp and Bryant are in a much better place than having to stomach the youth of today
Posted on 6/14/20 at 11:07 am to Volsfan82169
I don't really care about Bama or their last version of football Jesus, but didn't Bryant integrate his football team?
What's the point of this post?
What's the point of this post?
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Posted on 6/14/20 at 11:19 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Bryant had personal faults, but from all accounts of people around him racism wasn't one of them. His actions and private discussions make it pretty clear that he wanted to make sure that whichever 17 year old black men were the "firsts" (player, QB, etc) was not thrown into a tumultuous situation.
I think the Bear was more about winning football games than racism.
He might have been right about the bama fanbase, but he missed out on Holloway. He was an excellent QB in an era when there were many great QBs in the SEC.
Posted on 6/14/20 at 11:53 am to Volsfan82169
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Bryant told Condredge Holloway that there would not be a black quarterback at Alabama while he was there.
Bryant went to the Mayor of Birmingham who stated in the meeting that they would not sell tickets to blacks. Bear told him "then we will never play another game here"..... They sold the tickets properly.
Bear said to him, 'And if any black person is hurt or a rock thrown at him, we'll never come back.' The game was played, and blacks came and there were no incidents.
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''I'll never forget one moment with Bear during that time. It was 1964 or 1965, and we invited Billy Graham to Tuscaloosa to speak on campus at the Bryant-Denny football stadium. There were some 18,000 people there, with black church groups and white church groups, one of the biggest integrated meetings ever held in the state like that. Bear and I were sitting in the middle of the stadium beside Reverend Graham. And he was giving an understated message about easing racial tensions. And the biggest storm you ever saw came that night, but not a soul left.
''Suddenly lightning struck the microphone and a ball of fire went down his wire, and Graham sat down. He leaned over me and said to Bear, 'Coach, you'd have stopped, too, if that lightnin' had hit you like that.'
''Bear said, 'No, sir.' ''Billy Graham said, 'What do you mean?' ''Bear said, 'Well, if I was down on the 1-yard line, I wouldn't have stopped till I scored.' ''And Billy Graham got up and went back to preaching. I've laughed about that, but Bear was just as sincere as he could be.''
Did he say some racist things? For the time? No. In today's world. yes.
Posted on 6/14/20 at 12:11 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I had always been told the story differently on Holloway and was not aware of the quote he has made on Bryant. I’ll concede this point Summer of George. You’ve always been a straight shooter on here.
Posted on 6/14/20 at 12:52 pm to Volsfan82169
Pretty sure Croom has said in interviews that Bryant wasn’t racist, and I think Croom is pretty trustworthy.
Posted on 6/14/20 at 4:20 pm to Volsfan82169
Rupp was a well known racist! Bryant didn't have a racist bone in his body and wanted to integrate Bama football even during the tumultuous 1960's but knew the University wasn't ready to accept black students much less black players. He did schedule USCw so the whole state of ALABAMA and the south would see the greatness of the black athletes on the trojan's team. Did he want go lose the game or get a beat down? The answer is an obvious, no! Yet, he needed to take the risks in order to pave the way for the black athletes at U. of A. and the south in particularly. God bless the man who for years privately bemoaned the injustices to the black athletes and the black race.
This post was edited on 6/14/20 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 6/14/20 at 5:07 pm to Volsfan82169
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Rupp’s racism is well known
It is?
Posted on 6/14/20 at 5:27 pm to Jjdoc
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Did he say some racist things? For the time? No. In today's world. yes.
Exactly. Context matters. You're willfully ignorant or a complete moron if you can't see the difference Bear Bryant and William Bedford Forrest.
Even Rupp came a long way during his time.
If you think taking down monuments to folks like the founder of the Klan is the equivalent to doing the same for any prominent historical figure who also happened to be white it says more about you than it does about the kids protesting.
It's this simple: If a Muslim says, "Killing Bin Laden is like killing all of us!" all that should tell you is this dude might be a terrorist too.
This post was edited on 6/14/20 at 5:31 pm
Posted on 6/14/20 at 5:45 pm to chillmonster
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Even Rupp came a long way during his time.
Did he? Where did he come from? Almost every claim that he was a racist is based on legend. Not any actual knowledge. The link is to a fan site and a discussion about a locally produced documentary that includes the transcript. It’s an interesting read.
Was Rupp racist?
Posted on 6/14/20 at 6:04 pm to OleManDixon
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Did he? Where did he come from? Almost every claim that he was a racist is based on legend. Not any actual knowledge. The link is to a fan site and a discussion about a locally produced documentary that includes the transcript. It’s an interesting read.
Was Rupp racist?
That's beside the point but I'll answer.
Rupp was a traditionalist that was late to integrate, but he did integrate even as an old man. And when he did the wasn't a single negative word about player treatment or double standards from anyone. It was all positive.
Considering the popular mythology (completely true or not) it all tells a story about a man of his time coming some ways.
Posted on 6/14/20 at 6:26 pm to OleManDixon
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Even Rupp came a long way during his time.
Did he? Where did he come from? Almost every claim that he was a racist is based on legend. Not any actual knowledge. The link is to a fan site and a discussion about a locally produced documentary that includes the transcript. It’s an interesting read.
Was Rupp racist?
Perhaps he made some strides since he was taught a valuable and humbling lesson at the hands of Texas Western in the NCAA Championship of 1965. In order to continue to win at a high level he had to convince the black athletes he repented of his past bigotry and racist views. However, read his pre-game comments as carried by the larger newspapers of that time. I had to do a research paper on prominent figures who openly opposed racial integration. Adolph Rupp was one of those figures..
Did he really change what was inside of him? I pray he did! We are all God's people and of equal worthiness in his eyes. So, if you are planning on the hereafter, you better love all the races as much as your own because heaven's not an exclusive club when it comes to race. Remember, "do unto others......"
Posted on 6/14/20 at 6:36 pm to chillmonster
You used the term “even Rupp”. That would certainly seem to imply “what a racist” more than “what a traditionalist”.
Posted on 6/14/20 at 6:49 pm to Todd Greene
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Perhaps he made some strides since he was taught a valuable and humbling lesson at the hands of Texas Western in the NCAA Championship of 1965.
Perhaps you should read the transcript. There was no “valuable and humbling lesson”. That game wasn’t even seen in racial terms until many years later. Those sources spun a narrative. The players and coaches around him are probably more reliable.
Pat Riley: “There wasn't any racism in him. There wasn't. All there was, was a guy that wanted to win and take the best players. And I think he was judged on the subject harshly because he was a winner, he was a bigger than life character.“
ETA: if you’re referring to the Don Haskins claim that Rupp said 5 black kids could never beat his white kids, it never happened.
“He lied,” Riley said of Haskins. “Oh, no. He made that one up. Don and I talked about this. (Haskins was) a coach who really wanted to inspire his guys at that time to say, look, this is what you’re playing for. You’re playing for your race; you’re playing for your people. Adolph never said one word to us, I don’t ever recall him ever saying one word (about) black-white.”
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Posted on 6/14/20 at 7:18 pm to OleManDixon
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Perhaps you should read the transcript. There was no “valuable and humbling lesson”. That game wasn’t even seen in racial terms until many years later. Those sources spun a narrative. The players and coaches around him are probably more reliable.
Pat Riley: “There wasn't any racism in him. There wasn't. All there was, was a guy that wanted to win and take the best players. And I think he was judged on the subject harshly because he was a winner, he was a bigger than life character.“
ETA: if you’re referring to the Don Haskins claim that Rupp said 5 black kids could never beat his white kids, it never happened.
“He lied,” Riley said of Haskins. “Oh, no. He made that one up. Don and I talked about this. (Haskins was) a coach who really wanted to inspire his guys at that time to say, look, this is what you’re playing for. You’re playing for your race; you’re playing for your people. Adolph never said one word to us, I don’t ever recall him ever saying one word (about) black-white.”
Rupp said, and I qoute "basketball is more than being able to "run and jump" the fastest or the highest, there are concepts of complex plays both on the ball and off and our guys get that and it's their hard work and "mental" makeup that will be the difference in the game and allow Kentucky to bring home another Championship!"
So, their "MENTAL" makeup or acumen will be the difference. Like I said, he could have changed. The culture he was brought up in was what influenced him during the time he coming up until late in his life. Had he admitted his bigotry and racist views and openly repented, then, I nor anyone but God
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