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re: SI ranks college football's most talented rosters

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Posted by CNB
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Posted on 1/24/20 at 8:01 am to
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20. tie, LSU, South Carolina (279)


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Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 1/24/20 at 8:03 am to
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Makes me giggle. That natty looks even better with those rankings.



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Initial 2020 Total Team Talent Ratings



Reading comprehension is not taught in Louisiana it seems.
Posted by SCgamecock2988
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Posted on 1/24/20 at 8:03 am to
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13. Texas A&M (290)


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20. LSU (279)


Print the cups.
Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 1/24/20 at 8:13 am to
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Burrow is one 4-star that LSU lost. Same as about 12 other guys that we lost, and about 15 that we gained this recruiting cycle.


I imagine a lot of those guys got a bump in their score with the following in mind:

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For example, Minnesota's Tanner Morgan was just the No. 1185th-rated prospect coming out of high school, but he clearly played above that last season. Therefore, he's now considered a 4-star in this metric. Players who underachieve their star rating are not lowered points, though, because the point of this exercise is to measure potential. And there could be mitigating circumstances beyond an overrated evaluation that has held a player back, like injuries.



Burrow, for example, would very much be considered a 5*.

Besides, you have a total of... 21 players leaving, right? 9 leaving early, 12 more graduating (including Burrow)?
Posted by cyogi
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Posted on 1/24/20 at 8:13 am to
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They're taking into account the players that you're losing. Burrow is a whole lot of that demise.

So Indiana and Purdue will have more talent than LSU in 2020?
Posted by Herman Frisco
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Posted on 1/24/20 at 8:15 am to
If so LSU lucked into winning the Nattie this year. We’re talking Auburin luck.
Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 1/24/20 at 8:16 am to
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So Indiana and Purdue will have more talent than LSU in 2020?


Well, LSU drastically out recruited them over the past 4 years, so the questions are:

1. How many LSU signees failed to qualify in comparison

2. How many LSU recruits/players transferred out

3. How many high level recruits transferred to those schools


If they had done this the previous year and we had a metric to base this off of, it would help a bit in seeing their process.
Posted by cyogi
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Posted on 1/24/20 at 8:18 am to
The fact that some of you guys are considering the possibility Indiana might be equal or better talent-wise to LSU is mind boggling.
Posted by Herman Frisco
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Posted on 1/24/20 at 8:31 am to
According to these facts they are.
Posted by StopRobot
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Posted on 1/24/20 at 8:57 am to
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Makes me giggle. That natty looks even better with those rankings.



You realize this is a ranking for 2020?
Posted by moester75
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Posted on 1/24/20 at 9:28 am to
No way LSU is 20th that made me disregard the entire list.
Posted by XbengalTiger
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Posted on 1/24/20 at 9:46 am to
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Using the 247 Sports Composite recruiting rankings of the three major services (247, Rivals, and ESPN), we give each player on the roster a point total based on the star they were assessed as a recruit. So 5 points for a 5-star, 4 points for a 4-star, etc. We only evaluate the last four recruiting classes, so for this year that's 2017-20.


LSU Class Rankings from 247:
2017=7
2018=15
2019=5
2020=5

No way they can be tied for 20. I bet LSU is 4th or 5th based on the criteria he said he followed.
Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 1/24/20 at 10:22 am to
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LSU Class Rankings from 247:
2017=7
2018=15
2019=5
2020=5


Well, like I mentioned before, I only wonder how much is due to attrition.

I still have to think that the guy has some flawed data. For LSU to be 20th with those classes, either a metric ton of players would have had to never qualified and went elsewhere after CC, or he's missing something - like he didn't include LSU's incoming crop while including everyone else's.
Posted by blueridgeTiger
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Posted on 1/24/20 at 10:41 am to
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facts



Posted by TH03
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Posted on 1/24/20 at 10:45 am to
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9. Notre Dame (299)
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12. Tennessee (291) 
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17. Purdue (284)
18. Indiana (283)
19. Minnesota (280)
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20. tie, LSU, South Carolina (279)


Posted by elposter
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 1/24/20 at 10:54 am to
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Stoops doing work. And I wonder if they factor Josh Allen and Wagner being 2 stars and both led the league past 2 years in the SEC with an sacks?


Well this is evaluating the 2020 roster so why would Josh Allen be factored in? Also the only Wagner on UK's roster appears to be a WR so who are you even talking about?

But if your general question is whether this guy is taking into account players who have "overperformed" their recruiting rating, then yes he say he does that (although he doesn't really explain further):

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--To account for teams that are considered "developmental" programs, thus they don't recruit a lot of 4-and-5-star prospects, as their players overachieve their incoming star rating they are given additional points. For example, Minnesota's Tanner Morgan was just the No. 1185th-rated prospect coming out of high school, but he clearly played above that last season. Therefore, he's now considered a 4-star in this metric.
Posted by TH03
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Posted on 1/24/20 at 10:56 am to
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Using the 247 Sports Composite recruiting rankings of the three major services (247, Rivals, and ESPN), we give each player on the roster a point total based on the star they were assessed as a recruit. So 5 points for a 5-star, 4 points for a 4-star, etc. 


247 team rankings:

2020
LSU 5
Purdue 30

2019
LSU 5
Purdue 25

2018
LSU 15
Purdue 52

2017
LSU 7
Purdue 72


Posted by cyclingout
God's country, SC
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 1/24/20 at 10:57 am to
Tennessee beat Scar, why would you be surprised that they're ahead of Scar?
Posted by dbuchanon
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 1/24/20 at 11:18 am to
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Don't mind us, just over here sending 2 stars and transfers to the league in the first round.


What 2 star??
Posted by terriblegreen
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Posted on 1/24/20 at 11:46 am to
A retarded monkey could have put together a more cogent list.
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