re: Should Mississippi State move on from Mike Leach?

Also leach has never been a failure wherever he coached. And he coaches at programs with huge disadvantages.

He didn’t win 9 games at Tech until year 3. Didn’t win 11 till year 9.

His first 3 seasons at WSU were losing seasons and won 9 games in year 4. Won 11 in year 7.

It takes Leach time to get his right players in the system top to bottom while battling the disadvantages. If he keeps us winning 7 games or more consistently and middle of the west we shouldn’t fire him because his record shows he can get us a 10+ win season.

Mullen didn’t win 10 games until year 5. He won 9 in 2010 but that was by beating an awful Kentucky and ole miss, 6 win Georgia, and 8 win Florida teams plus 4 cupcakes. Leach has won more games against ranked opponents in 2 seasons than Mullen did in 5.

Be patient. SEC is tough right now in both divisions. We are in better shape than Aggie Auburn and Arkansas and have to potential to compete with ole miss and upset LSU sometimes. Bama will continue to beat us until Saban retires I’m sure.

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He didn’t win 9 games at Tech until year 3. Didn’t win 11 till year 9.

His first 3 seasons at WSU were losing seasons and won 9 games in year 4. Won 11 in year 7.

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There is some truth to this and some value in waiting. But the other side of that coin is Leach wasn't playing SEC defenses in Lubbock and Pullman. In other words, even when the stars align for him, as they did in 2008 and with Minshew, the ceiling is lower in Starkville due to the high level of competition.

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I strongly disagree.

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Ok homer, you want to flip schedules? Because unless you win tomorrow, you don't have a win that anyone is looking at. Kentucky should have won and Tulsa could have won. But victories are victories.

Ole Miss has had some advantages since both coaches arrived, a better offense, and a better qb. Kiffin also outworked Leach in the portal. However, Leach did out recruit Kiffin last year on the HS/juco side. Thus far, a couple of players from Leach's portal efforts have contributed this season.

Winning at Tennessee last year is the best win i can think of in the Kiffin era. Congrats. If I'm missing one let me know.

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Being up 24-3 at home vs Auburn then having these next 9 series

Fumble (sack) FG for auburn
Fumble (sack)
End of half
Downs at the 27 giving auburn a short field they scored on
Interception
Punt 13 yd punt shanked
Punt
Punt dropped by punter set up Auburn go ahead score
Punt

Ill give credit to our team to fight to score 10 points in the last 4 minutes of the game and then the winning TD in OT.

However the 2nd 3rd and 2/3 of the 4th quarter was as painful football as ive seen since Syl Croom was marching the sidelines.

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See a problem yet? The biggest issue with this offense is not having a mobile qb. Will Rogers is the best and worst player on the field. Take a guy that is 6'4- 6'5 with some feet, even if you only plan to throw him, and this offense is suddenly not going into hibernation for 3 quarters.

Plus the fact that the OL decided to collectively on an individual basis to stop blocking combined with Auburn having a solid DL with talent and Cadillac motivating them to play hard.

Had Harsin still been coaching the final score would have been 45-17. Auburn would have thrown in the towel.

That why I put 100% of what happened last Saturday on the players. They completely lost focus after the KO return. While it was a great play the after effect made players relax .,To their credit they did regroup and win the game.

Effectively speaking Leach is in his second year. And we have pretty good team this year.

Ok. I messaged my booster friend, then looked at some MSU boards and writers before responding.

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There's beginning to be a lot of rumblings from Mississippi State fans are aren't happy with the way Mike Leach is running things in Starkville.

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No, there isn't. There are a few idiots on obscure message boards where birds of the feather flock together.

One of those board leaders, btw, stated some pretty racist things. Your WR Williams.... would never play due to his skin color.

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Mainly his refusal to use the running game at all.

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Leach has been running the ball more. Leach's system requires the QB to make adjustments. Per Roger's post game. The last play was a Rushing TD vs Auburn. That was a pass play from the sideline that he changed in game.

You had both backs banged up and a reshuffled OL that's not deep. Yes, that will hinder somethings.

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The most recent example was against Auburn this past week as State went out to a 24-3 lead in the 2nd quarter Leach then goes on to call 24 straight passing plays

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See the above.

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and 3 other plays were sacks by Auburn 2 of which were strip sacks they recovered.

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Happens to all QBs. That's not on Leach.

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We have shown that we can run the ball vs A&M and Arkansas earlier this season. Heck we even had our first 100 yd rusher since leach was hired in the Arkansas game.

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Everything was good because everything was healthy. I watch the UK. They specifically stated #7 was not healthy and the other was starting. Johnson. Johnson went down in that game.

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However since then he has completely ababdoned the run all together

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No he hasn't.

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With all that said, has Leach passed his prime? He's shown hes not willing to adjust or change his offensive philosophy and hes struggle with it vs elite SEC defenses.

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UGA Coach just talked about that this week. He disagrees with you.

Name me one coach who will NOT struggle with your Roster. Before Leach, you could pass worth a damn and you won less.

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Don't be shocked if the season ends bad for State and the Pirate Leach sails into the sunset of retirement.

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Per the writers, his seat will not be hot period. He isn't going anywhere this year. At all.

You are nuts if you fire him thinking you are going to hire a magical man to take his place!

The man Owns TAMU, Auburn. Has beaten LSU and competed in every LSU game.

Vs Ark, Lost by 7 and then 3 and then won it. That's called improving.

fricking retarded thread. Leach isn’t going anywhere. In fact I could see him becoming AD and saying frick coaching.

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See a problem yet? The biggest issue with this offense is not having a mobile qb. Will Rogers is the best and worst player on the field. Take a guy that is 6'4- 6'5 with some feet, even if you only plan to throw him, and this offense is suddenly not going into hibernation for 3 quarters.

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Don't tell him that. Now he will demand the back up! or "LEACH REFUSES TO DO WHAT'S BEST!"

Which btw, the back up is the highest rated QB MS has ever recruited! But he is a RS Freshman