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re: SEC teams that would have beaten Notre Dame in the BCSNCG
Posted on 5/22/13 at 9:06 am to nc14
Posted on 5/22/13 at 9:06 am to nc14
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Everyone knows that if Bama beats anyone then they were overrated.
The real National Championship was the SEC Championship...Georgia-Alabama was a classic...
Alabama-Notre Dame was just embarrassing...more proof the BCS is baloney and swiss cheese
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Posted on 5/22/13 at 9:12 am to Buckeye06
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without looking at NDs resume, which was not bad, is stupid
They played a name schedule.
Too bad the only names on that schedule that were worth a shite were Stanford and Oklahoma.
Let's look, shall we?
Notre Dame played:
Navy (8-5): Irish's peak offensive output
Purdue (6-7): Purdue only allowed 21 points or less 3 times. One of those was to Notre Dame
Michigan State (7-6): Decent win
Michigan (8-5): Same Michigan team that got crushed by Alabama, then Clowneyed in the Outback Bowl.
Miami (7-5): Same Miami team that took themselves out of bowl contention and that Kansas State completely smashed
Stanford (12-2): Legit win
BYU (8-5): HORRIBLE offense. Worse than Notre Dame's
Oklahoma (10-3): Johnny Manziel tore them apart.
Pittsburgh (6-7): Needed a horrible call (had 2 players wearing the same jersey on the field when Pitt missed the Field Goal in OT #2. That's a 15-yard penalty)
Boston College (2-10): Only three teams scored 21 or less on BC. Notre Dame was one of them.
Wake Forest (5-7): Irish's most complete game.
USC (7-6): Without Barkley, Notre Dame still almost lost.
There's a conference full of teams with those kind of records...it's called the BIG 12.
This post was edited on 5/22/13 at 9:13 am
Posted on 5/22/13 at 9:28 am to pivey14
Pretty much agree with this. Not sure about Ole Miss though.
Posted on 5/22/13 at 9:31 am to CGSC Lobotomy
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Michigan (8-5): Same Michigan team that got crushed by Alabama, then Clowneyed in the Outback Bowl.
yes Michigan got crushed by Bama, but was about a minute from beating South Carolina. Which is why I said South Carolina wasn't a guarantee over ND
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Oklahoma (10-3): Johnny Manziel tore them apart.
ND beat them on the road by 3 scores. I don't think UF or LSU do the same.
My point was I'm not sure if LSU/USC/UF handily beat ND. I think A&M/UGA/Bama likely do because they can score some points.
I think LSU/USC/UF/ND are toss up games
Posted on 5/22/13 at 9:35 am to Buckeye06
I don't see how LSU doesn't crush ND. No way ND score more than 10 on them. LSU's running game would do just as well as Bama's did, which would give Mett ample space to throw.
Posted on 5/22/13 at 9:56 am to CGSC Lobotomy
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Same Pittsburgh team that Notre Dame needed a horribly blown call to beat (when Pitt missed the field goal, Notre Dame had two players on the field at the same time wearing the same number, which is a 15-yard illegal participation penalty) got slaughtered by Ole Miss
Pitt RB Ray Graham missed the Compass Bowl, he had over 170 yards against ND.
Posted on 5/22/13 at 9:56 am to Breesus2Jimmy
We would've still crushed Pitt
Also I laughed when I saw who posted this.
Also I laughed when I saw who posted this.
This post was edited on 5/22/13 at 9:57 am
Posted on 5/22/13 at 10:06 am to DMagic
I say we - Vandy - would have won.
Posted on 5/22/13 at 10:10 am to davesdawgs
I think Ole Miss would have kept it close, but lost...just like they did to all the halfway decent teams they played last year. However, if they had gotten to win the NCG it sure would have saved their boosters a ton of money paying for recruits! 
Posted on 5/22/13 at 10:20 am to pvilleguru
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I don't see how LSU doesn't crush ND. No way ND score more than 10 on them. LSU's running game would do just as well as Bama's did, which would give Mett ample space to throw.
LSU can't score against good Ds. They put up 12 against Auburn, 20 against Arky, and 24 in their bowl game. I think LSU can hold them down on defense, but I'm not sure they score more than 17 themselves.
ND's D was good against some ok offenses before the NCG. They held Michigan to 6, Miami to 3, Stanford to 13, OU to 13. I'm not saying any of those teams were amazing offensively, but they also weren't awful
This post was edited on 5/22/13 at 10:23 am
Posted on 5/22/13 at 10:45 am to Buckeye06
Michigan was far from having a good offense.
Posted on 5/22/13 at 10:51 am to Buckeye06
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They held Michigan to 6, Miami to 3, Stanford to 13, OU to 13. I'm not saying any of those teams were amazing offensively, but they also weren't awful
Scoring offenses Notre Dame faced:
12 - Alabama
15 - Oklahoma
40 - USC
49 - Miami
57 - Michigan
64 - BYU
64 - Purdue
70 - Stanford
74 - Pittsburgh
82 - Navy
108 - Michigan State
109 - Boston College
114 - Wake Forest
LSU's scoring offense was 58th, just below Michigan.
Let's look at the SEC scoring offenses again:
4 - Texas A&M
12 - Alabama
19 - Georgia
22 - Tennessee
44 - South Carolina
47 - Ole Miss
55 - Vanderbilt
58 - LSU
60 - Mississippi State
76 - Florida
80 - Missouri
89 - Arkansas
112 - Auburn
114 - Kentucky
Posted on 5/22/13 at 10:52 am to pvilleguru
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Michigan was far from having a good offense.
Couldn't you replace LSU with Michigan in that sentence? I mean they were basically exactly the same last year offensively
All I'm saying is that ND had some wins under their belt against teams with better offenses than LSU
Posted on 5/22/13 at 10:55 am to Buckeye06
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All I'm saying is that ND had some wins under their belt against teams with better offenses than LSU
Three to be exact.
Posted on 5/22/13 at 10:59 am to CGSC Lobotomy
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12 - Alabama
15 - Oklahoma
40 - USC
49 - Miami
57 - Michigan
ND won 4 of those games, LSU was 58 so behind Michigan (although of course tied basically)
I just don't think LSU rolls over ND with their offensive problems. Michigan scored 6, lets give LSU 13-17, do they win if they score 13-17 points?
Posted on 5/22/13 at 10:59 am to CGSC Lobotomy
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Same Pittsburgh team that Notre Dame needed a horribly blown call to beat (when Pitt missed the field goal, Notre Dame had two players on the field at the same time wearing the same number, which is a 15-yard illegal participation penalty) got slaughtered by Ole Miss.
You keep saying this as if this means anything. Transitive property means nothing in sports. ND had come off a huge road win at top-10 Oklahoma the week before, you don't think a letdown was possible? Teams match up differently against different opponents. Teams don't play their A-game every week. It's sports. Have you ever watched (or played)? You're not always at your best for a variety of reasons.
ND was 12-0 against a good (not great) schedule. Yet OLE FRICKIN MISS would beat them? Yes in a one-game scenario, it's certainly possible. That's why they play the game. Auburn almost beat LSU this year, after all. Stanford beat USC in 07. App State beat Michigan, etc. So yes, theoretically in one game, they could beat ND. So could any SEC team last year. They would not win a seven-game series. The only teams I know would beat ND in a seven-game series from the SEC are Bama and A&M. Probably UGA, too, but again, don't know. UF? LSU? USC? Maybe, maybe not. Too difficult to say.
Michigan was less than a minute from beating South Carolina and ND beat Michigan. South Carolina beat UGA by 28 points. Therefore, I assume you agree ND would destroy UGA. Two can play this game...
Posted on 5/22/13 at 11:01 am to Buckeye06
Good thing Michigan and LSU played against the same caliber defenses all year, that way we can accurately compare their offenses.
Oh wait, one of them played against Alabama, Florida, and South Carolina, and the other didn't.
Well Michigan did play SC, but the point still standsd.
Oh wait, one of them played against Alabama, Florida, and South Carolina, and the other didn't.
Well Michigan did play SC, but the point still standsd.
This post was edited on 5/22/13 at 11:03 am
Posted on 5/22/13 at 11:06 am to Wolfpacleader
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Well Michigan did play SC, but the point still standsd.
And Bama actually
And Florida was awful on offense last year. Even gators would agree
Posted on 5/22/13 at 11:51 am to reggierayreb
They would have gave a shite against Norte Dame.
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