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SEC Expansion Question
Posted on 1/1/23 at 10:02 pm
Posted on 1/1/23 at 10:02 pm
If/When the SEC expands, do you think we keep the format of not seperating same-state schools (Miss./MSU, Tn./Vandy, Ala./Aub.)?
Ex.:
Florida/FSU
SC/Clemson
Ok./OSU
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Florida/FSU
SC/Clemson
Ok./OSU
Posted on 1/1/23 at 10:36 pm to southernboisb
I doubt we expand beyond 16.
10 or 12 is a conference.
16 is 2 conferences.
IF we expand, boundaries will not matter geographically.
Notre Dame might join.
Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State.
So that would be 20.
SEC North: Kentucky, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Notre Dame
SEC West: Texas, Texas A&M, Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma
SEC True South: Ole Miss, MSU, Alabama, Auburn, LSU
SEC New South: Georgia, Florida, USC, Vanderbilt, Tennessee
10 or 12 is a conference.
16 is 2 conferences.
IF we expand, boundaries will not matter geographically.
Notre Dame might join.
Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State.
So that would be 20.
SEC North: Kentucky, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Notre Dame
SEC West: Texas, Texas A&M, Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma
SEC True South: Ole Miss, MSU, Alabama, Auburn, LSU
SEC New South: Georgia, Florida, USC, Vanderbilt, Tennessee
Posted on 1/1/23 at 10:37 pm to makersmark1
The SEC has already said we aren’t doing pods or divisions.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 10:43 pm to Uga Alum
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SEC Expansion Question by Uga Alum
The SEC has already said we aren’t doing pods or divisions.
I believe over 16 teams will HAVE to use divisions or pods. It'll be MORE of a nightmare/headache sorting teams than 16 will cause.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 10:43 pm to Uga Alum
IF Google or Apple give the SEC enough money, they will go to pods or whatever they call them.
It may be that we end up with 2 more playoffs.
G5 and P5.
It may be that we end up with 2 more playoffs.
G5 and P5.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 10:56 pm to southernboisb
No they don’t. The SEC has literally already said they weren’t doing that. It will like be a 3-6 model. Three teams you play every year and six rotating. That way you can play at least one home and one away game against every sec team in a four year period.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 11:56 pm to Uga Alum
I said OVER 16 teams WILL require divisions/pods because non-divisions will almost guarantee schools with the same records.
Say, for example, you have 18 schools. Keeping 3 perm makes it a 3/7/7. Yet UGA will vote AGAINST a 10 game conf. schedule because in a 12 game season, you only have 1 free slot for anybody (GT will be #11) while eveybody else has 2 slots.
20 schools is 3/8/8, 2 10-team groups, or 4 5-team groups.
As you can see, anything OVER 16 will require some kind of format.
Say, for example, you have 18 schools. Keeping 3 perm makes it a 3/7/7. Yet UGA will vote AGAINST a 10 game conf. schedule because in a 12 game season, you only have 1 free slot for anybody (GT will be #11) while eveybody else has 2 slots.
20 schools is 3/8/8, 2 10-team groups, or 4 5-team groups.
As you can see, anything OVER 16 will require some kind of format.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 11:56 pm to southernboisb
The SEC will never expand past the 16 we'll have once tejas and Oklahoma join the league.
Why?
Because there will end-up being four super conferences comprised of 64 teams total. Think about that, do the math and then figure the occasional at large team once they go to a 16 team playoff.
The NCAA will eventually be phased-out by the four super conferences ... waaaaaaay past due imho.
Four super conferences make it easier, although costlier, when it comes to the TV deals and the conference networks.
Pods make the most sense but it's not going to happen because of the inherent issues involved keeping the old inner-conference rivalries in tact while still allowing the non-conf year end rivarlies to take place as required by each state's legislated laws.
Why?
Because there will end-up being four super conferences comprised of 64 teams total. Think about that, do the math and then figure the occasional at large team once they go to a 16 team playoff.
The NCAA will eventually be phased-out by the four super conferences ... waaaaaaay past due imho.
Four super conferences make it easier, although costlier, when it comes to the TV deals and the conference networks.
Pods make the most sense but it's not going to happen because of the inherent issues involved keeping the old inner-conference rivalries in tact while still allowing the non-conf year end rivarlies to take place as required by each state's legislated laws.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 12:00 am to Uga Alum
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That way you can play at least one home and one away game against every sec team in a four year period.
This is the dumbest thing when you can play H/A & NOT lose any important games in a 6 year format (4 sets of 4 teams)
Y1/4: Groups A/B vrs. Groups C/D
Y2/5: Groups A/C vrs. Groups B/D
Y3/6: Groups A/D vrs. Groups B/C
Posted on 1/2/23 at 12:08 am to scrooster
Think about this:
1 - The B1G WILL EXPAND again.
2 - Whether #1 happens or not, the XII &/or ACC will collapse...therefore those teams will go to B1G or SEC. (You honestly think the ACC will keep steady for another 12-13 years?)
3 - P12 is on life support. They'll either dissolve (moving teams to B1G or elsewhere) OR they'll drop to a G5 status. (However, you know Oregon WILL be snagged by somebody...probably making #1 a definite reality.)
So.....
1 - The B1G WILL EXPAND again.
2 - Whether #1 happens or not, the XII &/or ACC will collapse...therefore those teams will go to B1G or SEC. (You honestly think the ACC will keep steady for another 12-13 years?)
3 - P12 is on life support. They'll either dissolve (moving teams to B1G or elsewhere) OR they'll drop to a G5 status. (However, you know Oregon WILL be snagged by somebody...probably making #1 a definite reality.)
So.....
This post was edited on 1/2/23 at 12:12 am
Posted on 1/2/23 at 12:24 am to scrooster
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Pods make the most sense but it's not going to happen because of the inherent issues involved keeping the old inner-conference rivalries in tact while still allowing the non-conf year end rivarlies to take place as required by each state's legislated laws.
The work around to this is if teams can't be in the same pods, you HAVE to keep certain games intact. So, like I've said in the past (as well as other articles), you give everybody perm teams from the other pods. So, if UGA's pod isn't scheduled to play Auburn's pod, DSOR IS STILL PLAYED. Easiest way is have 1 perm rival in the other 3 pods.
Team A1 would have this scheduling...
Y1/4: A2, A3, A4, B1 (pod B rival), B2, B3, B4, C1 (pod C rival), D1 (pod D rival)
Y2/5: A2, A3, A4, B1 (pod B rival), C1 (pod C rival), C2, C3, C4, D1 (pod D rival)
Y3/6: A2, A3, A4, B1 (pod B rival), C1 (pod C rival), D1 (pod D rival), D2, D3, D4
This post was edited on 1/2/23 at 12:27 am
Posted on 1/2/23 at 2:02 am to southernboisb
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Think about this:
1 - The B1G WILL EXPAND again.
2 - Whether #1 happens or not, the XII &/or ACC will collapse...therefore those teams will go to B1G or SEC. (You honestly think the ACC will keep steady for another 12-13 years?)
3 - P12 is on life support. They'll either dissolve (moving teams to B1G or elsewhere) OR they'll drop to a G5 status. (However, you know Oregon WILL be snagged by somebody...probably making #1 a definite reality.)
The B1G will expand to 16 teams. So will the ACC and PAC12. Both are already actively courting new members. Add the SEC and there are your four super conferences.
The PAC 12 will absorb worthy Big 12 leftovers ... losing the LA market, with the loss of SoCal and UCLA, is painful for them but not a killer. The ACC, already at 15 members, will absorb a worthy Big East leftover or maybe a Conf USA member or former Big 12 member like WVA. Maryland really hurt the ACC when they bailed to-go to the B1G. The ACC would actually like to expand to 20 if they coukd add the states they're currently missing along the east coast plus add Memphis State in an effort to get some of the Tennessee market and, in doing-so, they could claim to-be the largest land mass conference in the country.
The ACC's problem is, and always has been, Tobacco Road.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 5:13 am to scrooster
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add Memphis State in an effort to get some of the Tennessee market
ACC is not adding Memphis.
It is not considered on their academic level.
Virginia, Duke and Wake Forest are not aligning with Memphis.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 6:09 am to makersmark1
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I doubt we expand beyond 16.
I disagree.
The end game of all of this is for the Big 10 and the SEC to both go to somewhere between 20 - 24 teams. Then, their champions play for the national title. All of the $ that matters is shared between those 2 conferences.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 6:29 am to southernboisb
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SEC New South
Georgia , South Carolina, and Tennessee were South before Alabama, Miss, and Louisiana were even an idea!
Posted on 1/2/23 at 7:12 am to 3rddownonthe8
My prediction ... before there is more talk about additional expansion, there will be the discussion about what to do about replacing Texas - if the SEC even bothers - when the Short Horns leave for greener pastures. My only question is if Oklahoma follows them to the PAC-Whatever.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 7:30 am to scrooster
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The B1G will expand to 16 teams. So will the ACC and PAC12. Both are already actively courting new members. Add the SEC and there are your four super conferences.
B1G is @ 16 with USC & UCLA. Oregon will be 17. You don't think the SEC will match them in # of members?
WHO is the ACC courting? They're ~15 (depending on what you consider ND).
So, in this post, you're saying the XII is gone. & NOT 1 is taken by B1G?
Posted on 1/2/23 at 7:35 am to ScoggDog
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SEC Expansion Question by ScoggDog
My prediction ... before there is more talk about additional expansion, there will be the discussion about what to do about replacing Texas - if the SEC even bothers - when the Short Horns leave for greener pastures. My only question is if Oklahoma follows them to the PAC-Whatever.
So, you'll think they leave despite the increase in $ staying in the SEC?
Posted on 1/2/23 at 8:26 am to makersmark1
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SEC North: Kentucky, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Notre Dame
As a Kentucky fan, not sure how I would feel about this division
Posted on 1/2/23 at 8:43 am to makersmark1
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doubt we expand beyond 16.
10 or 12 is a conference.
Is there money to be made in expanding? Yes, assuming it's the right teams. Therefore, we will expand.
Candidates:
Kansas
Arizona
FSU
Clemson
VT
UVA
NC State
UNC
There are rumors FSU has found a way to get out of the ACC Grant of Rights. If true, the B1G and SEC will split the valuable ACC teams.
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