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Posted on 12/3/19 at 5:18 pm to AUFan2015
I . . . second . . . this explanation.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 5:30 pm to NashvilleTider
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Since we are posting rules
b. No simulated replacements or substitutions may be used to confuse opponents. No tactic associated with substitutes or the substitution process may be used to confuse opponents (Rule 3-5-2-e) (A.R. 9-2-2-I-V).
That's some Devin Nunes/Jim Jordan type grasping at straws. I love it.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 5:32 pm to Dawgfanman
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If offense doesn’t pause for 1 second after ball is ready, it’s a false start. If you snap at 0 on clock, it’s not a play. SEC explanation sounds like arse covering.
Auburn magic tho
Posted on 12/3/19 at 5:34 pm to NashvilleTider
quote:There was no simulated replacement or substitution, AU simply put a punter at wide receiver. No different than putting a lineman in the backfield or as a tight end for blocking.
No simulated replacements or substitutions may be used to confuse opponents. No tactic associated with substitutes or the substitution process may be used to confuse opponents
The quoted rule was put in place after Georgia Tech faked a field goal with a receiver who walked towards the sideline like he was going off, and then hung out on the field, right by the sideline, and was able to slip past the defense and be wide open to catch a pass.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 5:43 pm to NashvilleTider
So Nashville Tider, by your reasoning tackle eligible plays, fake fg's and punts etc are illegal. I thought it was very. Crafty of Gus. Good show.
This post was edited on 12/3/19 at 11:28 pm
Posted on 12/3/19 at 5:44 pm to BamaTide126728
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They should have started the clock immediately after the announcement.
Lord Farquad was still at midfield yelling and screaming. He could have blocked the kick.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 5:44 pm to AUFan2015
Did Auburn ask for the review? If not, then one should not have occurred, IMO.
This post was edited on 12/3/19 at 9:21 pm
Posted on 12/3/19 at 5:51 pm to biclops
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The issue wasn't how the review was handled, it was that the existence of the review afforded AU an opportunity they wouldn't have gotten if the play had been called correctly on the field.
I completely agree with this. After a first down the clock starts after the chains are moved. The review allowed Auburn to line up and be ready for the whistle. The way the review and the restart were handled was appropriate by rule, but the delay allowed Auburn to be in position to take advantage of the one second, which would not have happened otherwise.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 5:52 pm to NashvilleTider
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Since we are posting rules
b. No simulated replacements or substitutions may be used to confuse opponents. No tactic associated with substitutes or the substitution process may be used to confuse opponents (Rule 3-5-2-e) (A.R. 9-2-2-I-V).
That rule has to do with hideout plays and fake substitutions. E.g. - pretending to leave the field, but actually running a pass route. The examples cited in A.R. 9-2-2-I-V all involve either:
- A player pretending to leave the field, but actually staying in the game
- A player pretending to enter the field, but actually going back to the sideline just before the snap
- A kicker pretending to ask someone on the sideline to toss them a tee while the rest of the team runs a play
- A team using 10 or 12 men in the huddle to either add or remove a player at the last second
Literally none of these examples apply to Auburn. There's absolutely no rule that says you can't line up a punter at wide receiver. At the end of the day, that's all Auburn did.
And since that rule also cites Rule 3-5-2-e:
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e. When Team A sends in its substitutes, the officials will not allow the ball to be snapped until Team B has been given an opportunity to substitute. While in the process of substitution or simulated substitution, Team A is prohibited from rushing quickly to the line of scrimmage with the obvious attempt of creating a defensive disadvantage. If the ball is ready for play, the game officials will not permit the ball to be snapped until Team B has placed substitutes in position and replaced players have left the field of play. Team B must react promptly with its substitutes.
So Auburn substitutes the punter in, and Saban gets an opportunity to substitute. He sends in the punt return team. Then he realizes that the punter is lined up at wide receiver and thinks he should be given time to substitute again? That's not how it works. If that were the rule, then the defense would be allowed to substitute any time a team lines up in the wildcat.
This post was edited on 12/3/19 at 7:09 pm
Posted on 12/3/19 at 5:54 pm to TigerDat
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b. No simulated replacements or substitutions may be used to confuse opponents. No tactic associated with substitutes or the substitution process may be used to confuse opponents (Rule 3-5-2-e) (A.R. 9-2-2-I-V
The rule is used for the “get off the field!” Play.
Many teams used this to have a receiver running like he was going to the sideline, then quick snap and pass.
Also the receiver also used to go almost all the way to the sideline. Then boom! Throw to him down the field. We did this in 80 pound football in the mid 1970s.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 5:54 pm to biclops
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The only people saying they got the call wrong are idiots.
So, like 85% of the Bama fan base then?
Posted on 12/3/19 at 5:55 pm to BamaTide126728
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They should have started the clock immediately after the announcement.
Why? It has never worked that way and that is not the rule.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 5:56 pm to BamaTide126728
Still dwelling..... 
Posted on 12/3/19 at 5:56 pm to AUFan2015
Should not be allowed to substitute in that situation unless they had a time out. Should not be able to touch the ball until ref starts clock. Basically Au got a free time out, was allowed to sub, get lined up, with hand on the ball already and snap on whistle. In that situation of a team should not be able to substitute players. The only play Au should have been able to run was a hail mary type play.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 5:57 pm to SECdragonmaster
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Lord Farquad was still at midfield yelling and screaming. He could have blocked the kick.
This is also true. If you think the clock should have started immediately after the review, then you also believe that Alabama should have been flagged for about 30 men on the field, 10 coaches on the field (one crying like a little bitch), and several players with their helmets off. Would have made the kick a lot easier.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 5:58 pm to HailToTheChiz
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Posted on 12/3/19 at 5:58 pm to lostinbr
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Then he realizes that the punter is lined up at wide receiver and thinks he should be given time to substitute again? That's not how it works.
Bingo. Saban and his position coaches wanted to substitute twice when Auburn only substitutes once. Illegal substitution penalty was absolutely correct.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 5:59 pm to NashvilleTider
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No simulated replacements or substitutions may be used to confuse opponents
Don’t you even think about coming after our whirly-bird.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 5:59 pm to AUFan2015
I think Alabama's gripe was that had they not stopped the clock the officials would have placed the ball and started the clock. Had they done this, Auburn would not have had time to get their FG team onto the field.
I don't think it was a bad call, but Alabama has a legitimate gripe.
I don't think it was a bad call, but Alabama has a legitimate gripe.
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