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re: Sankey screwed the pooch with the ESPN deal.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 7:19 pm to pioneerbasketball
Posted on 1/7/23 at 7:19 pm to pioneerbasketball
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Give me jp sports
That was before your time, remember?
Posted on 1/7/23 at 8:01 pm to Richard Dangler
Simpler is history repeats
Monarchies controlled the old world
Folks fled to the New World and a new start
200 years later Monarchies started controlling the New World
People have the power, but only if they exercise to keep it
Not sure how we disconnect the modern age and get folks energized again.
Monarchies controlled the old world
Folks fled to the New World and a new start
200 years later Monarchies started controlling the New World
People have the power, but only if they exercise to keep it
Not sure how we disconnect the modern age and get folks energized again.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 8:22 pm to GreyReb
Does anyone watch a game because of the broadcasters? I realize some folk will turn off or down a broadcast due to very bad announces (Beth Mowins), but I just don't think the broadcasters have a big impact either way.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 8:30 pm to Cheese Grits
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Pure Capitalism is the Robber Barons of the late 1800's
Government had to intervene on behalf of its citizens
Monopolies were broken 40 hour work week was instituted Child labor laws were enacted
When most hear Capitalism they need to hear Game Theory, Fair Markets, and Humanism. Since the 1980's we have been replacing Humanistic Capitalism with a Corporate Monarchy similar to the Hereditary Monarchy we fled Europe (and other parts of the world) to get away from.
I don’t come to the rant for politics, but damn it is refreshing to see a little “context over ideology” in the zeitgeist.
Our fundamental flaw is the failure to acknowledge that too much of anything is a bad thing.
10 years ago I’d have blamed this on the US being a young country, but weirdly enough this seems to be a global issue.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:15 pm to rgw
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Nobody wants their sports broadcasts to be so poorly produced but there is no market signal to make the oligopolies react. You either stop following your favorite team or shovel the shite down your gullet.
Turn on a radio and just listen.
I listen to probably nearly 99% of my team’s games because I won’t pay for cable or streaming. I’m not going to spend hundreds of dollars a year for commercials in my content.
I get a great deal of entertainment out of doing so. Yes, you do miss a lot by not being able to see what’s happening, but if your school has a good announcer, it can be an enjoyable experience.
This post was edited on 1/7/23 at 9:20 pm
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:42 pm to Radio Zero
So the other conferences have fox, CBS, NBC and all we have is ESPN. Well, ESPN, ABC, the SEC network/+. Who cares? I know I’ll be able to watch all SEC games on TV and the best of the week in prime time rather than 3:30 EST.
This post was edited on 1/7/23 at 9:43 pm
Posted on 1/8/23 at 3:42 am to Mohican
Going to be weird watching Michigan, Ohio State, USC, Wisconsin, etc on CBS. Wish they somehow managed to broker a long term deal with the SEC. I grew up on that. ESPN is lacking in terms of quality commentary teams.
Posted on 1/8/23 at 4:08 am to NJLSU
Sankey is a limp prick. Period. He has sat on his arse. Poor decisions that will lead to the end of the SEC and college football as we’ve known it. He has rubber stamped immediate money moves without looking at the big picture. I guess we should’ve known we would have shitty leadership sooner or later. Slive and Kramer had us spoiled. Visionaries who looked down the road. This clown needs to be sent without his pension.
Posted on 1/8/23 at 5:44 am to Rebbedup
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Poor decisions that will lead to the end of the SEC and college football as we’ve known it.
He is the leader of his age
Kramer and Slive were of an age when substance > money. We are living in an age of money and greed so Sankey is making decisions based on this.
As example : Corporations pre 1980's (after tax)
25% to management (all levels, not just executive suite)
25% to labor
25% to investors
25% to reinvest in R&D and PPE
Modern corpoartions
80% to executive suite
20% to labor + investors + R&D + PPE
Modern executive thinking has evolved from the golden parachutes that started in the 1980's where folks could reward themselves for short term thinking and short term profits all the while having no skin in the game. Contrast that with say Ford Motor was essentially a private company controlled by Ford himself so if they made a crappy product or gave bad service, the average American citizen knew exactly who to blame or complain to.
Sankey is just a modern executive who will parachute out before he can be blamed for the damage incurred for actions during his tenure. If you talk to most presidents or AD's they know they have made a deal with the devil but made it anyway because the money made them greedy.
Posted on 1/8/23 at 5:52 am to DeathByTossDive225
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I don’t come to the rant for politics, but damn it is refreshing to see a little “context over ideology” in the zeitgeist.
I am old and a moderate. I am also aware of the history when the Democrats and Republicans (The Democratic Republican Party) were the party of the people, merchants, farmers, workers, and trade people while the Federalist were the party of the landed gentry, bankers, and lawyers.
Modern media has inflamed "us vs them" thinking which allows click baiting over actual discussion. Both sides now blame the other side so each party can pick the wallets clean of their citizens. We have the foundations for representative government but until the citizens demand better by action, we will allow the Corporate Monarchies to gain strength and the people to become their wage slaves.
Posted on 1/8/23 at 7:07 am to Cheese Grits
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Pure Capitalism is the Robber Barons of the late 1800's Government had to intervene on behalf of its citizens Monopolies were broken 40 hour work week was instituted Child labor laws were enacted When most hear Capitalism they need to hear Game Theory, Fair Markets, and Humanism. Since the 1980's we have been replacing Humanistic Capitalism with a Corporate Monarchy similar to the Hereditary Monarchy we fled Europe (and other parts of the world) to get away from. Wake Up America!
Seeing a lot of traces of government education in these posts. The 1870’s - 1880’s were probably the closest to “unfettered capitalism” in America. It was also the time of the greatest wealth creation and quality of life increase in human history. These “monopolies” were characterized by increased production and decreasing prices (some monopoly) until politically connected business started bribing politicians for market regulation via The Sherman Anti Trust Act in which the government went after “bad trusts” and left alone connected or “good trusts”. Natural monopolies if they even exist don’t last long and big companies love regulation (hell they usually write it) because it provides a barrier to market entry.
The Problem With the Robber Baron Narrative
Posted on 1/8/23 at 8:19 am to GreyReb
ESPN’s vision is an all-female crew by 2025. Probably.
Posted on 1/8/23 at 8:21 am to GreyReb
ESPN is likely to be sold. It’s becoming unsustainable with all the bad contracts they have like the NBA and streaming services are killing their revenue because they pay far less per subscription than cable or satellite which most people are moving away from. Disney isn’t going to subsidize ESPN when it becomes a money loser in 2024 or 2025.
Posted on 1/8/23 at 9:04 am to GreyReb
Yeah. The lack of foresight to diversify the brand was really dumb.
Between that and getting OU/tu instead of North Carolina/Virginia, Sankey has been a really bad commissioner.
Between that and getting OU/tu instead of North Carolina/Virginia, Sankey has been a really bad commissioner.
Posted on 1/8/23 at 9:16 am to GreyReb
Beth Mowins and Rod Gilmore will be the #1 broadcast team for SEC Football moving forward
Posted on 1/8/23 at 9:24 am to Krampus
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Cheap crappy products with little to no support after purchase make more money than quality products a company can stand behind and be proud of. Why? Because the market demands it. People would rather buy lots of cheap shite from China that works poorly and breaks quickly, than buy fewer items of quality that will work well and last. If people were truly clamoring for quality products, companies would make them. Fact is, they aren't.
Preach. People get counterfeit shite on Amazon, return it, and continue to use the platform. People just don’t care Enough
ESPN could broadcast the blue blood SEC games with stadium sound only and people would still watch lol
Posted on 1/8/23 at 9:32 am to GeekedUp
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ESPN could broadcast the blue blood SEC games with stadium sound only and people would still watch lol
That would actually be great.
Posted on 1/8/23 at 10:01 am to midnight orange
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The Problem With the Robber Baron Narrative
I read this and it is crap
Again it tries to blame "them" because "us" is right when in fact they are BOTH wrong.
Vanderbilt was. a rascal. Just because he "guided" his historical narrative late in life by giving away a tiny portion of his wealth for good press (see Bill Gates today) did not mean he did not destroy others in pursuit of his own gain. Most of the Vanderbilt wealth was actually created by his son through conservative (and less ruthless) business practices
Rockefeller was the junior partner (Standard Oil was started with Harkness (the financial backer), Flagler (the brains), and Rockefeller (the book keeper). Over time the Harkness family blew through their immense wealth (some descendants still live and work in the SEC footprint). Flagler used his immense wealth to create the state of Florida (giving away money and land to build schools, churches, and all sorts of European immigration - see also the Florida citrus Industry and the East Coast tourist development) as well indirectly giving rise to the wealth of UNC (his descendants play heavily here) and indirectly creating one of the wealthiest families in the State of Kentucky.
Flagler is an interesting study, in that he created immense wealth during his early years then in early middle age, walked away, and spent the rest of his life giving it away. Even more interesting he did so privately and would not allow anything he gave money for to put his name on anything. A reverse Trump if you will. Who would do that today?
It was the forced sale of Standard Oil to break their monopoly (after Harkness and Falgler were gone) that really created Rockerfellers wealth we talk about today. His descendants have increased that wealth and the former Standard Oil monopoly has been replaced by the the global oil monopolies like (Exxon Mobile) still held by the handful of families that own the new Corporate Monarchies
The bigger issue not addressed in that slanted article is that most Robber Barron's rose to power buy buying their way out of serving in the Civil War. After the Civil War this stopped and both World War I and World War II saw the deaths of the children of some of the most prominent holders of wealth. This reverted with the Korean War and by the Vietnam War we had started the modern day Robber Barons (George Bush served in WW II and his family was covered in oil wealth, his son did just the opposite and bought his way out of the war).
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Seeing a lot of traces of government education in these posts.
You are seeing what you want, not what actually is. My family has served honorably in every American conflict from the French & Indian War to the current conflicts in the Middle East. I have been educated by those who fought and returned to make a better America. Because of this fight to not return to the European modeled monarchies they fled from in the first place.
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It was also the time of the greatest wealth creation and quality of life increase in human history.
These are conflicting points
As example, Andrew Carnegie and the steel industry in the US. He amassed great wealth by being ruthless and driven to create his monopoly of steel. While he is seen as a great philanthropist toady it took 2 events and massive public outcry in the press to hold his feet to the fire.
The first was the flood that killed 3K to 5K (higher body count than 9-11)
The second was the strike where he hired private cops to kill folks
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Natural monopolies if they even exist don’t last long and big companies love regulation (hell they usually write it) because it provides a barrier to market entry.
If Game Theory is correct you would be correct. However, Public Choice Theory - by Nobel Prize winner James Buchanan, says Game theory does not work because few with power and money can create barriers to the citizens of a country.
Educate yourself and quit relying out what others spoon feed you.
Posted on 1/8/23 at 10:02 am to greenbean
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I just don't think the broadcasters have a big impact either way
I watched the USC and Tulane bowl game on mute. RGIII is absolutely terrible. I'd listen to a Beth Mowins and Gary Danielson team before I listen to RGIII.
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