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re: Rick Ray a better coach than Frank Martin?
Posted on 3/14/13 at 12:03 pm to LSUCOCK
Posted on 3/14/13 at 12:03 pm to LSUCOCK
Did you even read what engie wrote? 
We have no players who legitimately played from last seasons team. The only one, Roquez Johnson, played a total of around 10 minutes. It's laughable to suggest that Martin's situation was tougher. The facts are as engie posted, we have 3 freshman starting, 2 JUCO transfers starting, Roquez Johnson coming off the bench, and two walk-ons getting significant playing time. Our situation is 10x times worse, there is no legitimate argument to say it's any different. I'm not saying Martin didn't inherit something bad, he did. But he actually had a lot more to work with than Ray. That's what we are trying to say, that Ray had a shite ton less talent and numbers, but still managed to beat Martin (who is an exceptional coach IMO) twice. Regardless of whether or not Ray is a good coach, what he has accomplished this season is nothing short of a miracle. Andy Katz, Dari Nowkhah, and your own Frank Martin agree. I could keep naming names, but I'll stop there.
We have no players who legitimately played from last seasons team. The only one, Roquez Johnson, played a total of around 10 minutes. It's laughable to suggest that Martin's situation was tougher. The facts are as engie posted, we have 3 freshman starting, 2 JUCO transfers starting, Roquez Johnson coming off the bench, and two walk-ons getting significant playing time. Our situation is 10x times worse, there is no legitimate argument to say it's any different. I'm not saying Martin didn't inherit something bad, he did. But he actually had a lot more to work with than Ray. That's what we are trying to say, that Ray had a shite ton less talent and numbers, but still managed to beat Martin (who is an exceptional coach IMO) twice. Regardless of whether or not Ray is a good coach, what he has accomplished this season is nothing short of a miracle. Andy Katz, Dari Nowkhah, and your own Frank Martin agree. I could keep naming names, but I'll stop there.
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Posted on 3/14/13 at 12:08 pm to Gamecox20
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FM is a better coach than Ray because we beat y'all once with the less talent.
oh you
Posted on 3/14/13 at 12:38 pm to Tds & Beer
At MSU thinking that beating the worst ever squad at SC is some kind of accomplishment which translates into having a better coach. Never once thought of the Bulldog Nation as annoying until now. Are ya'll serious trying argue that Ray is so much better than Martin based on your #13 seeded team beating the #12 seed in the opening game in the SECT.
Both of us suck and suck bad. The difference is at this point, our coach has proven he can win and has done so in past. All Ray has proven is he can beat the worst SC team in history 2/3 times. Congrats, dipshits.
Posted on 3/14/13 at 12:45 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
BTW Bundy by this logic how many SEC coaches are better than Mullin? Quite a few I imagine.
Posted on 3/14/13 at 12:51 pm to Requiem For A Dawg
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Get the frick out. Seriously.
I can't believe any fan of those 2 teams would take too much positive after that game last night that was about like watching paint dry. Darrin Horn a better coach than Coach Cal?
Posted on 3/14/13 at 1:00 pm to Gamecox20
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All Ray has proven is he can beat the worst SC team in history 2/3 times. Congrats, dipshits.
Yet in this very thread, we've heard ALL about how much he improved your team from last year... So, which is it?
We've beaten you 13 of the last 18 now. It's only shocking because it is(factually) our worst team in almost 30 years and arguably our worst ever. The next loss ties our all-time record in defeats in a season.
This post was edited on 3/14/13 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 3/14/13 at 1:02 pm to Gamecox20
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At MSU thinking that beating the worst ever squad at SC
You must not have been watching USC basketball for very long.
Posted on 3/14/13 at 1:02 pm to Gamecox20
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At MSU thinking that beating the worst ever squad at SC is some kind of accomplishment which translates into having a better coach.
Will you please stop lumping our fanbase in with Bundy? All I said was that Rick Ray's situation was worse. Chill out.
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The difference is at this point, our coach has proven he can win and has done so in past. All Ray has proven is he can beat the worst SC team in history 2/3 times.
Ok are you trying to make a point?
Posted on 3/14/13 at 1:03 pm to engie
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Yet in this very thread, we've heard ALL about how much he improved your team from last year... So, which is it?
Last year's team was worse. We desperately could've used the 2 players that transferred from last year's team to this year's team but that team rarely put up a fight.
Don't get me wrong I love that our football team is having success but under no circumstance should our football team have more wins (11) than our basketball team did (10 last season).
Posted on 3/14/13 at 1:08 pm to engie
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- We've been to the Sweet 16 more recently than you.
- We've been to the elite 8 more recently than you.
- We've been to the final 4 more recently than you.
- We've won the conference more recently than you.
- We've won the conference tournament more recently than you.
- We've won more games more recently than you.
- We've won 16 of the last 26 against you.
- We've beaten you 12 times in a row in Starkville.
damn...I smell Bacon
Posted on 3/14/13 at 1:13 pm to theGarnetWay
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We desperately could've used the 2 players that transferred from last year's team
Same here!
I'd have given anything to have DeVille Smith's (clinically) insane arse back on the court this year running the point.
If we're being honest, the situations are similar. MSU's is marginally worse in the immediate sense, but marginally better overall due to the amount of winning we've done in the not-so-distant past and the amount of money we've poured into the basketball program.
Posted on 3/14/13 at 1:23 pm to engie
Didnt Bruce Ellington sign as a basketball player- than later decide to play football?
I love how he is being portrayed as a football player that decided to play basketball
I love how he is being portrayed as a football player that decided to play basketball
Posted on 3/14/13 at 1:42 pm to CoonassBulldog
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Didnt Bruce Ellington sign as a basketball player- than later decide to play football?
I love how he is being portrayed as a football player that decided to play basketball
I am probably in the minority of gamecock fans but I think Bruce is terrible at basketball. He gets a lot of hype because he's so well known on the football field but he's so out of control and too fast for his own good in bball that he's a TO machine.
I love the kid in football and if he wants to play pro bowl that is his best chance.
Posted on 3/14/13 at 1:48 pm to CoonassBulldog
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Didnt Bruce Ellington sign as a basketball player- than later decide to play football?
Yes he did under the old coach. He is on a football scholarship and Martin acknowledged that. Martin did not say this but Im not sure Bruce would have had the choice of a basketball scholarship if Martin was around. He is obviously better at football and his best attributes on the court are not his natural shooting or basketball skills but his speed and quickness. Thats the point is that our team is full of players that have a scholarship that maybe should not. Horn would give anyone one.
Posted on 3/14/13 at 1:50 pm to Gamecox20
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I am probably in the minority of gamecock fans but I think Bruce is terrible at basketball.
Not in the minority. The talent around (lack of)him makes him seem a little better than he is, but is definintely not a starter on a legit D1 team
This post was edited on 3/14/13 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 3/14/13 at 3:00 pm to gamecocks22
Was Bruce Ellington not a starter this year? I mean, y'all say things like "I think if Ellington wasn't on a football scholarship Martin would have let him go" but the kid averaged 32 minutes a game this year. If someone else was there instead of Ellington(whether it be someone in the program or some recruit y'all would have picked up instead) what guarentee is there that he would have been better than Ellington?
And what is the point of all this anyway? Your team sucks, so does ours. 5 of our players from yesterday had never played in an SEC tournament before. Next guy was a sophomore who couldn't beat out a juco and a true freshman to start at forward. Next 2 guys were walkons, one of which was essentially Bruce Ellington without any talent or athleticism. Frank Martin's a good coach, and better days are coming for both programs, but yesterday he was outcoached. You guys think Martin is thinking to himself about how he really won the game, or feeling sorry about himself for the situation is? No, he's working to beat Ray next year. You can live in the past all you want, but the future has a much prettier picture being painted.
And what is the point of all this anyway? Your team sucks, so does ours. 5 of our players from yesterday had never played in an SEC tournament before. Next guy was a sophomore who couldn't beat out a juco and a true freshman to start at forward. Next 2 guys were walkons, one of which was essentially Bruce Ellington without any talent or athleticism. Frank Martin's a good coach, and better days are coming for both programs, but yesterday he was outcoached. You guys think Martin is thinking to himself about how he really won the game, or feeling sorry about himself for the situation is? No, he's working to beat Ray next year. You can live in the past all you want, but the future has a much prettier picture being painted.
Posted on 3/14/13 at 3:05 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
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Posted on 3/14/13 at 6:39 pm to LBC
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And what is the point of all this anyway? Your team sucks, so does ours
I can get on board with this. Thats what makes the whole argument so silly.
PS bruce ellington is a really bad basketball player.
Posted on 3/14/13 at 8:43 pm to LBC
Bruce was a starter and i did not say Frank would cut.him. i was implying that maybe he wouldnt have offered a scholarship in the first place. Read it anyway you want to try and make a point though
Posted on 3/14/13 at 8:45 pm to gamecocks22
Love some Rick Ray and great column by Rick Cleveland posted today..would much rather have him than Stormin Frank
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