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Reign of Dominance
Posted on 8/2/19 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 8/2/19 at 1:33 pm
Kind of a silly topic based completely on speculation, but do y'all see the SEC's reign of dominance ever coming to an end? I'm not old enough to remember the glory days of other conferences, but I recognize that the displacement of the SEC seems almost inevitable at some point. Then again, when I consider the changing dynamics of the country (Southern population boom, especially increasing AA population), I find it difficult to envision a time when SEC schools won't sit atop the recruiting rankings.
A more general question - do you ever see a time when the South ceases to dominate in general (including Clemson, OU, UT, FSU, etc.)? I feel like the Midwest and West Coast will never be able to challenge Southern supremacy.
I recognize this an "ooh rah" SEC chest-beating post.
A more general question - do you ever see a time when the South ceases to dominate in general (including Clemson, OU, UT, FSU, etc.)? I feel like the Midwest and West Coast will never be able to challenge Southern supremacy.
I recognize this an "ooh rah" SEC chest-beating post.
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Posted on 8/2/19 at 1:35 pm to ClassicCityAlum
It Just Means More.
Posted on 8/2/19 at 1:35 pm to ClassicCityAlum
Dominance continues
Posted on 8/2/19 at 1:38 pm to ClassicCityAlum
I actually think the SEC as a whole will be stronger this year then they have in quite a few years but certain programs outside have also proven they can stand up and compete. As a conference I believe the SEC will be the strongest for the foreseeable future
Posted on 8/2/19 at 1:50 pm to ClassicCityAlum
OU is not a southern team
Posted on 8/2/19 at 1:52 pm to ClassicCityAlum
No, not until FSU, Miami, Texas, and USC get back to being what they were 5-10 yrs ago.
Posted on 8/2/19 at 1:53 pm to ClassicCityAlum
Everything is cyclical, and a lot of dominance is just perceived. At the root, 'dominance' is just having the best players on the team.
I feel like the Midwest and West Coast will never be able to challenge Southern supremacy.
This is definitely not the case; USC is down and UCLA is blah. But if one of those two programs, particularly USC, revives, and monopolizes the Cali talent, they'd be right up there at the top.
Similarly, Ohio State at times has gathered talent rivalling anyone, including Alabama.
USC, as I said, has gone through runs where they have the most talent in the country. Early 2000's under Carroll was the latest, but not the only, and very likely not the last. Those Oregon teams later on wouldn't have been able to hang with a prime USC team.
Oklahoma and Nebraska used to execute a good triple option scheme, combined with elite linemen and nationally recruited skill players. OU has evolved to the modern offenses, and has won the last 2 Heismans. It's definitely not beyond possibility that they could take another step up, and improve the defense a tad- which would be championship-worthy. They hung 34 on Alabama last playoff, so the offensive scheme isn't a problem.
Michigan and Ohio State are national programs, and Ohio State beat Bama not that long ago. If those programs both "get right", they could get right back on top.
Was a little over a decade ago that "perception" favored the Big 10. Michigan-Ohio State was "the game", and the winner was a foregone conclusion to win the BCS. That was the year Fla blew them out.
Compare that to last year, when Bama-Georgia was the choice, and Clemson blew out Bama. Clemson wasn't ignored, but nobody expected a 30 pt win.
I feel like the Midwest and West Coast will never be able to challenge Southern supremacy.
This is definitely not the case; USC is down and UCLA is blah. But if one of those two programs, particularly USC, revives, and monopolizes the Cali talent, they'd be right up there at the top.
Similarly, Ohio State at times has gathered talent rivalling anyone, including Alabama.
quote:It's programs, not really conferences.
I'm not old enough to remember the glory days of other conferences
USC, as I said, has gone through runs where they have the most talent in the country. Early 2000's under Carroll was the latest, but not the only, and very likely not the last. Those Oregon teams later on wouldn't have been able to hang with a prime USC team.
Oklahoma and Nebraska used to execute a good triple option scheme, combined with elite linemen and nationally recruited skill players. OU has evolved to the modern offenses, and has won the last 2 Heismans. It's definitely not beyond possibility that they could take another step up, and improve the defense a tad- which would be championship-worthy. They hung 34 on Alabama last playoff, so the offensive scheme isn't a problem.
Michigan and Ohio State are national programs, and Ohio State beat Bama not that long ago. If those programs both "get right", they could get right back on top.
Was a little over a decade ago that "perception" favored the Big 10. Michigan-Ohio State was "the game", and the winner was a foregone conclusion to win the BCS. That was the year Fla blew them out.
Compare that to last year, when Bama-Georgia was the choice, and Clemson blew out Bama. Clemson wasn't ignored, but nobody expected a 30 pt win.
quote:I don't include OU as South, and Texas only sparingly. South, to me, is the Gulf Coast and lower Atlantic; Texas and OU are more southern Midwestern.
do you ever see a time when the South ceases to dominate in general (including Clemson, OU, UT, FSU, etc.)
Posted on 8/2/19 at 1:57 pm to ClassicCityAlum
The parity is getting better with schools like UGA, LSU, aTm, and UF getting stronger. It’s going to be a while until there isn’t at least two SEC schools in the championship picture.
Posted on 8/2/19 at 2:00 pm to ClassicCityAlum
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Kind of a silly topic based completely on speculation, but do y'all see the SEC's reign of dominance ever coming to an end?
Nope. The game has changed in modern times and CFB is now about which programs are willing to invest the money to be great.
IMO, there are only about a dozen programs capable of winning a National Title nowadays.
Since 2003, only 9 teams have won a National Title over the course of 16 years..... only 13 teams have even played for a National Title. Those programs are as follows in order of how many times they've played for the Title:
7- Alabama
3- Clemson
3- Ohio State
3- LSU
3- Oklahoma
2- Florida
2- Auburn
2- USC
2- Texas
2- Oregon
1- Florida St.
1- Georgia
1- Notre Dame
***Interesting to note that 10 of those 13 programs have played for the Title more than once since 2003, and the three that have only played for it once all have made it to a CFB Playoff Semifinal in a different year as well.
So you have 13 total programs that appear capable of winning a Title and 5 of those are in the SEC.
The ACC only has 2
The PAC only has 2
The BIG 12 only has 2
The BIG 10 only has 1
Plus Notre Dame
The only programs that look like they are even trying to join the club are Texas A&M and Oklahoma State.... they don't seem likely but at least they are spending the money.
Posted on 8/2/19 at 2:01 pm to Scoob
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OU... hung 34 on Alabama last playoff, so the offensive scheme isn't a problem.
The score was 31-10 at the half and was on cruise control. In the 2nd half, any time OU scored a td, Alabama answered with one. That game was never in doubt. Plus, Clemson proved the next game that Alabama's defense wasn't all that last year.
Posted on 8/2/19 at 2:55 pm to John Milner
quote:Leave it to an Alabama fan to take a discussion about potential conference dominance, and somehow make it about defending Bama's honor in last year's game.quote:
OU... hung 34 on Alabama last playoff, so the offensive scheme isn't a problem.
The score was 31-10 at the half and was on cruise control. In the 2nd half, any time OU scored a td, Alabama answered with one. That game was never in doubt. Plus, Clemson proved the next game that Alabama's defense wasn't all that last year.
To repeat, the OU offense isn't a problem. Their defense needs to step it up a notch, and if they do, they can contend. OU has had defenses before, and it's entirely possible they can do it again.
USC is an interesting program, since they're practically dead in the water right now. But if they can get right again, I could see them owning the Pac 12, and doing serious damage in the playoffs. I think a peak USC could play toe-to-toe with a peak Alabama team; the program just imploded when Carroll left. And a prime USC could command ESPN coverage in primetime, something we haven't seen in a decade or more.
It's not Southern dominance, so much as it's some programs are down, and others (mostly here in the South) are up.
Posted on 8/2/19 at 3:03 pm to ClassicCityAlum
Don't know how long it'll last but there is almost a straight line along I-85 and I-20 from Clemson to Tuscaloosa with Athens almost in the middle. Those 3 teams have 5 QB's who have transferred and are will presumably be starting at other schools which aren't exactly neer do well programs...and the 3 teams they transfeered from are ranked 1-3 in the first poll of the year.if that ain't a region dominating a sport I don't what is....
Posted on 8/2/19 at 3:19 pm to Scoob
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I don't include OU as South, and Texas only sparingly. South, to me, is the Gulf Coast and lower Atlantic; Texas and OU are more southern Midwestern
ATM is just barely in the south....UT and Austin is as much the Midwest as Detroit and Chicago....nothing at all southern about any of Texas except that part lying along a line from Texarkana to Victoria and College Station is just a bit outside of that...Houston is the south, Dallas is much closer to being Detroit or Chicago than it is Atlanta or Charlotte....and anything west of Dallas is definitely not the south....
Posted on 8/2/19 at 3:37 pm to Scoob
The stats prove one thing and that is Alabama is carrying the SEC and the rest just heavy.
Posted on 8/2/19 at 4:22 pm to ClassicCityAlum
Alabama has been dominant.
There have been some other good teams, but they have sustained excellence.
I’m glad we have a nattie during this time.
There have been some other good teams, but they have sustained excellence.
I’m glad we have a nattie during this time.
Posted on 8/2/19 at 5:54 pm to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
quote:good for you.
The stats prove one thing and that is Alabama is carrying the SEC and the rest just heavy.
If anything, your POV says there is no SEC dominance, only Alabama dominance. And WHEN (not if) Alabama declines, so will the SEC's control over college football.
Now, I'd offer a counterpoint to that, and people can take it any way they want:
LSU, Fla and Auburn have all won titles fairly recently, and LSU, Auburn and Georgia have all made the final game in addition. Tennessee makes that list too, if you go back just a bit further.
I'd say the SEC is still in good shape... the "Big 6" are all capable of fielding championship-level programs. And at least one will be at that level, at any given time.
That's the big difference between the SEC and the other conferences- the depth potential.
The Big 10 likes to say they have similar depth, but the way I see it, only Ohio St, Michigan and Penn St can actually win a title when max'd out. Wisconsin and Michigan State can be close, but not there.
Nebraska is a weirdo... they seem as dead as the pharaohs, but anyone old enough to have seen that program during their run can't count them out entirely. A PRIME Nebraska would terrify the rest of the Big 10. And before you say "they have no base", remember- it's a national program.
The ACC has Clemson, Fla St, and Miami.
The Pac 12 has USC, and the jury is out on whether Oregon can take that next step (I'd lean to "no"). Washington, Stanford, also at the close but no cigar level.
Big 12 has Oklahoma and Texas.
Notre Dame is out there, as always. They meet the geographics of the Big 10, but I don't think they want to join Penn State and Nebraska as "retired" programs
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